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None of these will matter once Ukraine joins the EU. Their soil is the richest and has the greatest depth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernozem https://en.w

by graphe 3y ago

None of these will matter once Ukraine joins the EU. Their soil is the richest and has the greatest depth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernozem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernozem https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/15/ukraine-membership-european-union-explained/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/15/ukraine-memb... They will incapacitate the EU's ability to farm without subsidies, something they already do heavily. > E.U. farmers currently receive subsidies of more than $200 per hectare farmed. Given its vast arable land, Ukraine would be eligible for billions in payments. >Even with membership many years away, the issue of Ukrainian exports entering the E.U. market has spurred protest, with farmers in neighboring countries lashing out over a glut of grain.

PakG1 3y ago
Given what's happening in Ukraine right now, this would imply that high-quality soil could become the next resource that nations literally fight wars over.
- graphe 3y ago
  If you look at the map, it won't be fought over as much as Ukraine will dominate agriculture. What the Netherlands did for pig farming in the 90s Ukraine will do for the entire industry. China buys pork from the Netherlands it's so cheap. If you mean natural resources it's still water for trade. Russia has little outward rivers, Crimea and Ukraine would help their trade a lot. The Suez canal and the area around is is incredibly wealthy.
- hanniabu 3y ago
  And the soil will be filled with lead contamination from it being turned into a battlefield
  - lukas099 3y ago
    Is this an actual thing? Like are there studies showing this and stuff?
    - hanniabu 3y ago
      Yes it's a known issue, along with oil and radioactive material. https://amp.dw.com/en/ukraine-how-the-war-is-making-soil-and-water-toxic/a-64907471 https://amp.dw.com/en/ukraine-how-the-war-is-making-soil-and... Fertilizers also deposit a decent amount of heavy metals (lead included) into the soil, which is then absorbed by the plant and concentrates in the fruit/vegetable.
morsch 3y ago
> Ukraine would be eligible for billions in payments. That stands to reason -- France gets almost 10 billion, Germany 6.5, Poland 4.5, to name a few.
cmrdporcupine 3y ago
Unfortunately a large % of of the richest soils in Ukraine are on the Russian side of the occupation line (Zaporizhia Oblast mainly). That and there must be tens of thousands of acres that are damaged and poisoned by constant artillery bombardment, and full of landmines. What Russia can't take by force, they are destroying.
stefan_ 3y ago
EU agriculture is an entirely pretend market heavily subsidized for self sustenance - few countries will depend on other states for basic foodstuff, no matter the price. Ukraine joining will not change that.
CrzyLngPwd 3y ago
There is zero chance of Ukraine ever joining the EU. There is little chance that Ukraine as we know it will even survive.
- lukas099 3y ago
  I would like to know why you feel so confident.
  - CrzyLngPwd 3y ago
    They are fighting a war they cannot possibly win. Until it's over they cannot join the EU. They are the most corrupt nation in the region, and the war has not helped. Until they fix that they will not join the EU. Both NATO and EU have said UA can't join their clubs while at war, so all RU has to do is keep fighting. The other states within the EU will have a terrible tantrum if the money sink that is now Ukraine joins. Ukraine currently has nothing but debt to offer the EU, and it is a big debt in terms of what they owe their current "war partners" and in terms of rebuilding. Other states have been on the waiting list for a long time, and if Ukraine is fast-tracked, they will also have a terrible tantrum. Lastly, no one knows when the war will end and what the borders will be, so any hints of "join our club" from the EU or NATO until the war is over and the new borders are drawn is at the very best just a carrot to keep the poor of Ukraine fighting the NATO proxy war.

by graphe 3y ago

PakG1 3y ago

Given what's happening in Ukraine right now, this would imply that high-quality soil could become the next resource that nations literally fight wars over.

graphe 3y ago
If you look at the map, it won't be fought over as much as Ukraine will dominate agriculture. What the Netherlands did for pig farming in the 90s Ukraine will do for the entire industry. China buys pork from the Netherlands it's so cheap. If you mean natural resources it's still water for trade. Russia has little outward rivers, Crimea and Ukraine would help their trade a lot. The Suez canal and the area around is is incredibly wealthy.
hanniabu 3y ago
And the soil will be filled with lead contamination from it being turned into a battlefield
- lukas099 3y ago
  Is this an actual thing? Like are there studies showing this and stuff?
  - hanniabu 3y ago
    Yes it's a known issue, along with oil and radioactive material. https://amp.dw.com/en/ukraine-how-the-war-is-making-soil-and-water-toxic/a-64907471 https://amp.dw.com/en/ukraine-how-the-war-is-making-soil-and... Fertilizers also deposit a decent amount of heavy metals (lead included) into the soil, which is then absorbed by the plant and concentrates in the fruit/vegetable.

morsch 3y ago

> Ukraine would be eligible for billions in payments. That stands to reason -- France gets almost 10 billion, Germany 6.5, Poland 4.5, to name a few.

cmrdporcupine 3y ago

Unfortunately a large % of of the richest soils in Ukraine are on the Russian side of the occupation line (Zaporizhia Oblast mainly). That and there must be tens of thousands of acres that are damaged and poisoned by constant artillery bombardment, and full of landmines. What Russia can't take by force, they are destroying.

stefan_ 3y ago

EU agriculture is an entirely pretend market heavily subsidized for self sustenance - few countries will depend on other states for basic foodstuff, no matter the price. Ukraine joining will not change that.

CrzyLngPwd 3y ago

There is zero chance of Ukraine ever joining the EU. There is little chance that Ukraine as we know it will even survive.

lukas099 3y ago
I would like to know why you feel so confident.
- CrzyLngPwd 3y ago
  They are fighting a war they cannot possibly win. Until it's over they cannot join the EU. They are the most corrupt nation in the region, and the war has not helped. Until they fix that they will not join the EU. Both NATO and EU have said UA can't join their clubs while at war, so all RU has to do is keep fighting. The other states within the EU will have a terrible tantrum if the money sink that is now Ukraine joins. Ukraine currently has nothing but debt to offer the EU, and it is a big debt in terms of what they owe their current "war partners" and in terms of rebuilding. Other states have been on the waiting list for a long time, and if Ukraine is fast-tracked, they will also have a terrible tantrum. Lastly, no one knows when the war will end and what the borders will be, so any hints of "join our club" from the EU or NATO until the war is over and the new borders are drawn is at the very best just a carrot to keep the poor of Ukraine fighting the NATO proxy war.