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Improve in what sense? As a browser it has bern improving.

effingwewt 3y ago
No it hasn't, and that's completely objective. They have ignored user requests every iteration. Check the play store you can see their score is gamed. Most reviews are 1-3 stars and all have the same complaints for years. It's been a steady downward trend since google started financing them to have someone to point at and say 'see we have competition, no monopoly here!'. They removed almost all addons and are barley (like 10+ years later!) bringing some of them back. Pocket spam. Collections. The list is ridiculous and getting to Google levels bad. I especially love the part where she laid off hella employees and gave herself a 1/5 raise.
- omnimus 3y ago
  Completely objective? I am not sure we both think its same thing. I would say proof that Firefox got objectively better is https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/releases/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/releases/
  - tremon 3y ago
    The only thing that's objective about the link you posted is that Firefox release numbers have been consistently going up.
    - omnimus 3y ago
      The numbers are links. You can click them to get more info about what each number means.
Nextgrid 3y ago
A browser that makes bold claims about privacy at every opportunity but still doesn't include uBlock Origin as a standard feature is a major problem. At this point, even Windows itself includes antimalware software in the form of Windows Defender. Browsers should take note.
- ta_9390 3y ago
  This is itself a bold claim. Firefox is in fact better in terms of privacy than rivals with higher market share, the home page of firefox addons store has uBlock Origin with "Recommended" label placed by Mozilla team. It is important to recognize that the web is also used by grandma and grandpa who won't master any tech more recent than fax and installing uBlock origin by default will harm FF market share even more as usability will be impacted.
  - Nextgrid 3y ago
    > the web is also used by grandma and grandpa Safari works around that nicely - if you refresh a page it prompts you whether you want to reduce privacy protections (assuming you are refreshing because of something broken). Either way, the functionality can always be optional so people who are impacted can disable blocking. > will harm FF market share even more as usability will be impacted. The only people who currently use FF are those who also use uBlock Origin - if you don't there is really no point using it compared to Chrome. Firefox marketshare will improve because there will finally be an actual selling point for it.
    - pseudalopex 3y ago
      > The only people who currently use FF are those who also use uBlock Origin Mozilla's statistics say under 4%.[1][2] [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin... [2] https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity
      - Nextgrid 3y ago
        These numbers may not be representative as anyone who installs uBlock Origin is unlikely to leave telemetry enabled. Either way my point stands - what's the selling point of using Firefox over Chrome for a non-technical user (who doesn't know what add-ons are and this won't install any)? uBlock Origin bundled by default would be an instant selling point. Say "install this browser for instant ad-free browsing" and you've sold it to all non-technical users. Say "install this browser, dismiss 5 nag screens, navigate to the add-on store, find ublock origin, install it, tick 'enable in private browsing'" and your non-technical users would've ran away before you even finished that sentence.
ta_9390 3y ago
Exactly! The fact that Firefox usability and perfromance is improving, better addons support for android, unique useful features like containers and easy to configure network proxy/DoH/web protection levels, etc.. is already a big improvment. How do people expect the market share to grow if the user isn't #1 priority.
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  Not disagreeing with your other points but keep in mind that "better addons support for android" was a self-inflicted problem and an arbitrary restriction. Addons worked to begin with if they weren't restricted to a small whitelist.

No it hasn't, and that's completely objective. They have ignored user requests every iteration. Check the play store you can see their score is gamed. Most reviews are 1-3 stars and all have the same complaints for years. It's been a steady downward trend since google started financing them to have someone to point at and say 'see we have competition, no monopoly here!'. They removed almost all addons and are barley (like 10+ years later!) bringing some of them back. Pocket spam. Collections. The list is ridiculous and getting to Google levels bad. I especially love the part where she laid off hella employees and gave herself a 1/5 raise.

omnimus 3y ago
Completely objective? I am not sure we both think its same thing. I would say proof that Firefox got objectively better is https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/releases/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/releases/
- tremon 3y ago
  The only thing that's objective about the link you posted is that Firefox release numbers have been consistently going up.
  - omnimus 3y ago
    The numbers are links. You can click them to get more info about what each number means.

Nextgrid 3y ago

A browser that makes bold claims about privacy at every opportunity but still doesn't include uBlock Origin as a standard feature is a major problem. At this point, even Windows itself includes antimalware software in the form of Windows Defender. Browsers should take note.

ta_9390 3y ago
This is itself a bold claim. Firefox is in fact better in terms of privacy than rivals with higher market share, the home page of firefox addons store has uBlock Origin with "Recommended" label placed by Mozilla team. It is important to recognize that the web is also used by grandma and grandpa who won't master any tech more recent than fax and installing uBlock origin by default will harm FF market share even more as usability will be impacted.
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  > the web is also used by grandma and grandpa Safari works around that nicely - if you refresh a page it prompts you whether you want to reduce privacy protections (assuming you are refreshing because of something broken). Either way, the functionality can always be optional so people who are impacted can disable blocking. > will harm FF market share even more as usability will be impacted. The only people who currently use FF are those who also use uBlock Origin - if you don't there is really no point using it compared to Chrome. Firefox marketshare will improve because there will finally be an actual selling point for it.
  - pseudalopex 3y ago
    > The only people who currently use FF are those who also use uBlock Origin Mozilla's statistics say under 4%.[1][2] [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin... [2] https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity
    - Nextgrid 3y ago
      These numbers may not be representative as anyone who installs uBlock Origin is unlikely to leave telemetry enabled. Either way my point stands - what's the selling point of using Firefox over Chrome for a non-technical user (who doesn't know what add-ons are and this won't install any)? uBlock Origin bundled by default would be an instant selling point. Say "install this browser for instant ad-free browsing" and you've sold it to all non-technical users. Say "install this browser, dismiss 5 nag screens, navigate to the add-on store, find ublock origin, install it, tick 'enable in private browsing'" and your non-technical users would've ran away before you even finished that sentence.

ta_9390 3y ago

Exactly! The fact that Firefox usability and perfromance is improving, better addons support for android, unique useful features like containers and easy to configure network proxy/DoH/web protection levels, etc.. is already a big improvment. How do people expect the market share to grow if the user isn't #1 priority.

Nextgrid 3y ago
Not disagreeing with your other points but keep in mind that "better addons support for android" was a self-inflicted problem and an arbitrary restriction. Addons worked to begin with if they weren't restricted to a small whitelist.