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The developer community has done such a poor job explaining to artists why using their work without compensation is necessary. It's unrealistic to expect that a

The developer community has done such a poor job explaining to artists why using their work without compensation is necessary. It's unrealistic to expect that a startup could purchase hundreds and millions of artists' images for training. The only alternative would be to not use them at all, and then things like Midjourney and Dall-E wouldn't even exist!

figassis 3y ago
I assume in the perspective of artists that is not a bad thing. Why should MJ exist in its current form if it has to take earnings from artists? Maybe science and engineering could have found another way to do this, but this seems like the easy way out and now we’re trying to rationalize it.
meepmorp 3y ago
> The developer community has done such a poor job explaining to artists why using their work without compensation is necessary "We want to use your work so you can be replaced many in jobs, but it's expensive to actually license your work, so we aren't paying." There, that's easy!
doxick 3y ago
The taxi community has done such a poor job explaining to the car industry why using their cars without paying for them is necessary. It's unrealistic to expect that a starting driver could pay for a drivers license, a car and a taxi-license. The only alternative would be... ...loans or investment. It would be loans or investments. Like any other business. You can't just steal cars either just to kickstart your taxi business...
- slavik81 3y ago
  This has a striking similarity to the classic, "You Wouldn't Steal a Car" PSA. https://youtu.be/HmZm8vNHBSU https://youtu.be/HmZm8vNHBSU
maronato 3y ago
They don’t have to purchase millions of artists’ images for training. They just have to purchase as many as their budget allows. That’s what VC money is for. If their business model requires either infringing copyright or paying billions of dollars for the rights, then perhaps it is a bad business model. I’m glad midjourney and dall-e showed us what’s possible, but now we must take a step back, delete those models, and do it right. Single companies should not hold the power to steal whatever they want from humanity and then capitalize on it.
rsynnott 3y ago
> The only alternative would be to not use them at all, and then things like Midjourney and Dall-E wouldn't even exist! Oh, no, what a tragedy. Like, seriously, "our business model relies on stealing all the art in the world, therefore it is right and proper that we do that" is a bit of a Bond villain take, when you think about it.

figassis 3y ago

I assume in the perspective of artists that is not a bad thing. Why should MJ exist in its current form if it has to take earnings from artists? Maybe science and engineering could have found another way to do this, but this seems like the easy way out and now we’re trying to rationalize it.

meepmorp 3y ago

> The developer community has done such a poor job explaining to artists why using their work without compensation is necessary "We want to use your work so you can be replaced many in jobs, but it's expensive to actually license your work, so we aren't paying." There, that's easy!

doxick 3y ago

The taxi community has done such a poor job explaining to the car industry why using their cars without paying for them is necessary. It's unrealistic to expect that a starting driver could pay for a drivers license, a car and a taxi-license. The only alternative would be... ...loans or investment. It would be loans or investments. Like any other business. You can't just steal cars either just to kickstart your taxi business...

slavik81 3y ago
This has a striking similarity to the classic, "You Wouldn't Steal a Car" PSA. https://youtu.be/HmZm8vNHBSU https://youtu.be/HmZm8vNHBSU

maronato 3y ago

They don’t have to purchase millions of artists’ images for training. They just have to purchase as many as their budget allows. That’s what VC money is for. If their business model requires either infringing copyright or paying billions of dollars for the rights, then perhaps it is a bad business model. I’m glad midjourney and dall-e showed us what’s possible, but now we must take a step back, delete those models, and do it right. Single companies should not hold the power to steal whatever they want from humanity and then capitalize on it.

rsynnott 3y ago

> The only alternative would be to not use them at all, and then things like Midjourney and Dall-E wouldn't even exist! Oh, no, what a tragedy. Like, seriously, "our business model relies on stealing all the art in the world, therefore it is right and proper that we do that" is a bit of a Bond villain take, when you think about it.