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If the problem is just Apple, then why do modt companies make iOS apps, Android apps and web apps instead of telling Android users to just use the web apps? It

If the problem is just Apple, then why do modt companies make iOS apps, Android apps and web apps instead of telling Android users to just use the web apps? It came out in the Epic trial that 90% of App Store revenue came from in app purchases of play to win games. Those apps aren’t going to the web because it’s much easier to convince whales to buy coins and loot boxes using in app purchase than put a credit card on a website.

visarga 3y ago
> play to win games pay to win games, I can never find a game that has fixed cost and doesn't push advertising or self advertising, you know, an app safe for kids; they all have full screen ads with tricky close buttons BTW, why is App Store such a shit show? It's 99% crap. Where is the concept of pay to own.
- tekchip 3y ago
  I understand you're referring to the Apple store but in case other non-apple users find this. On the Google Play store at least these are relatively easy to find. Pick your category, games, then scroll the tabs at the top to "Premium".
- timknauf 3y ago
  No-Bullshit Games [1] is a good resource for finding quality fixed-cost / premium games. [1] https://nobsgames.stavros.io/ https://nobsgames.stavros.io/
  - supermatt 3y ago
    A great resource - It is VERY out of date though.
    - vvvvvvvvvvvv 3y ago
      Any good pick since then? I also hate IAP
      - supermatt 3y ago
        not really, sorry.
- ghaff 3y ago
  Apple Arcade?
WWLink 3y ago
It's more annoying really. Most companies refuse to let you see their website from android or iOS phones because they want you to download the app. The app... that is just a wrapper for their fucking website anyway.
- slimsag 3y ago
  Not true! Apps enable so much more, notification spam, access to contacts and wifi networks, data collection and privacy invasion.. SO much easier when it's an app! Also all those banks - if they just had a website they wouldn't be able to enforce that you cannot access your banking from your rooted Android phone. Thanks to the additional power of apps, they can.
  - AniseAbyss 3y ago
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  - scarface_74 3y ago
    All of this is under the user control and you have to explicitly give apps permission
fennecfoxy 3y ago
>If the problem is just Apple, then why do modt companies make iOS apps, Android apps and web apps instead of telling Android users to just use the web apps? Because they're forced to in order to do business since Apple controls their platform? Hell, there was (and still is I think) even all the ridiculous rules around "can't link to a website payment outside of your app" and "definitely can't tell the user it's cheaper not to buy it thru the app where Apple takes a 30% cut" I distrust Microsoft and Google as much as I distrust Apple, but damn do people give Apple so many passes "yeah well they use that 30% cut to pay for all the security and services they offer!111" you really believe that? How come so many 0-days & other exploits are found by GOOGLE'S project zero? Does Apple not pay enough for their own research into that stuff?
- scarface_74 3y ago
  Can you name one retailer that is going to allow you to advertise that you can get something cheaper somewhere else? Also, really complaining about Apple’s security compared to Android? Seeing that most Apple has been publishing security patches for 10 year old phones and Google abandons its own hardware.
  - paulryanrogers 3y ago
    Apple is more than the retailer. Apple owns the whole mall, the fire department, the police, the chamber of commerce, and basically the whole town where most of your family and friends live. Don't like it? Just move to the only other town there is, and write them letters and visit occasionally. If you don't like it there too, well they say there are other places if you take a long boat ride. As to Google, despite all their many faults at least they haven't gas lit me claiming I'm holding it wrong.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      Now we are bringing something up from 2010? Yet it proved to be another *Gate. Apple sold the same phone - the GSM iPhone 4 for three years.
  - 3y ago

visarga 3y ago

> play to win games pay to win games, I can never find a game that has fixed cost and doesn't push advertising or self advertising, you know, an app safe for kids; they all have full screen ads with tricky close buttons BTW, why is App Store such a shit show? It's 99% crap. Where is the concept of pay to own.

tekchip 3y ago
I understand you're referring to the Apple store but in case other non-apple users find this. On the Google Play store at least these are relatively easy to find. Pick your category, games, then scroll the tabs at the top to "Premium".
timknauf 3y ago
No-Bullshit Games [1] is a good resource for finding quality fixed-cost / premium games. [1] https://nobsgames.stavros.io/ https://nobsgames.stavros.io/
- supermatt 3y ago
  A great resource - It is VERY out of date though.
  - vvvvvvvvvvvv 3y ago
    Any good pick since then? I also hate IAP
    - supermatt 3y ago
      not really, sorry.
ghaff 3y ago
Apple Arcade?

WWLink 3y ago

It's more annoying really. Most companies refuse to let you see their website from android or iOS phones because they want you to download the app. The app... that is just a wrapper for their fucking website anyway.

slimsag 3y ago
Not true! Apps enable so much more, notification spam, access to contacts and wifi networks, data collection and privacy invasion.. SO much easier when it's an app! Also all those banks - if they just had a website they wouldn't be able to enforce that you cannot access your banking from your rooted Android phone. Thanks to the additional power of apps, they can.
- AniseAbyss 3y ago
  [dead]
- scarface_74 3y ago
  All of this is under the user control and you have to explicitly give apps permission

fennecfoxy 3y ago

>If the problem is just Apple, then why do modt companies make iOS apps, Android apps and web apps instead of telling Android users to just use the web apps? Because they're forced to in order to do business since Apple controls their platform? Hell, there was (and still is I think) even all the ridiculous rules around "can't link to a website payment outside of your app" and "definitely can't tell the user it's cheaper not to buy it thru the app where Apple takes a 30% cut" I distrust Microsoft and Google as much as I distrust Apple, but damn do people give Apple so many passes "yeah well they use that 30% cut to pay for all the security and services they offer!111" you really believe that? How come so many 0-days & other exploits are found by GOOGLE'S project zero? Does Apple not pay enough for their own research into that stuff?

scarface_74 3y ago
Can you name one retailer that is going to allow you to advertise that you can get something cheaper somewhere else? Also, really complaining about Apple’s security compared to Android? Seeing that most Apple has been publishing security patches for 10 year old phones and Google abandons its own hardware.
- paulryanrogers 3y ago
  Apple is more than the retailer. Apple owns the whole mall, the fire department, the police, the chamber of commerce, and basically the whole town where most of your family and friends live. Don't like it? Just move to the only other town there is, and write them letters and visit occasionally. If you don't like it there too, well they say there are other places if you take a long boat ride. As to Google, despite all their many faults at least they haven't gas lit me claiming I'm holding it wrong.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    Now we are bringing something up from 2010? Yet it proved to be another *Gate. Apple sold the same phone - the GSM iPhone 4 for three years.
- 3y ago