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Guys. Mozilla set out to make the web standards compliant. Firefox was the tool they used. They won. It's done. The web is universally standards compliant. Mas

Guys. Mozilla set out to make the web standards compliant. Firefox was the tool they used. They won. It's done. The web is universally standards compliant. Massive success to the org. Right after the rebranding from Phoenix, things took off. Super BD effort to get standardization going. Huge community management effort to get all sorts of random people installing Firefox everywhere. This is the biggest success story ever. And this is why everyone has to always be growing. It's not enough to do what you set out to do. You have to always grow. If you're a for-profit corp this is your partners or shareholders who care. If you're a non-profit it's the general public. But whoever that person is, the moment you stop growing you're in trouble. Oh they'll say "unchecked growth is cancer" and so on but what they want is to say that while nonetheless you grow. Growth is survival. Even reaching your objective (as a non-profit) is death.

themaninthedark 3y ago
Someone else posted that they lost 95% of their market share in the last 15 years, that is quite literally the opposite of unchecked growth. Honestly, it seems like the problem is that the engineers let the business people in.
- renewiltord 3y ago
  It was only ever successful because of business people.
  - Nextgrid 3y ago
    It was originally successful simply because it brought features to the table that were lacking in IE6, and those were written by engineers, not business people.
    - renewiltord 3y ago
      No. It was successful because of a massive business development and community building effort in addition to the product. Firefox was less compatible than IE because IE was what people built for. Konqueror's KHTML engine was actually more feature-complete for much of the time but there was no organization backing it until Safari based early Webkit on it. And Apple didn't back KHTML so much as just base Webkit on it. Epiphany was a Webkit-based fully open browser but didn't actually get as popular as Firefox. The whole Firefox thing was a huge success. When they turned Mozilla (the browser) into this it was a feat. And then to coordinate the complex efforts to beat IE. It was amazing stuff. It was a really well-done job by Mozilla.
johnnyanmac 3y ago
> Firefox was the tool they used. They won. It's done. The web is universally standards compliant. sure, when there's only 2 standards (down from 3 10 years ago. Probably down from 5 20 years ago), it's very easy to be compliant to the standards of 2. But yeah, sad reality. What I want isn't necessarily what is most profitable. I'm tired of having to care about how much money my tools make to justify/chastise their ability to function.

themaninthedark 3y ago

Someone else posted that they lost 95% of their market share in the last 15 years, that is quite literally the opposite of unchecked growth. Honestly, it seems like the problem is that the engineers let the business people in.

renewiltord 3y ago
It was only ever successful because of business people.
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  It was originally successful simply because it brought features to the table that were lacking in IE6, and those were written by engineers, not business people.
  - renewiltord 3y ago
    No. It was successful because of a massive business development and community building effort in addition to the product. Firefox was less compatible than IE because IE was what people built for. Konqueror's KHTML engine was actually more feature-complete for much of the time but there was no organization backing it until Safari based early Webkit on it. And Apple didn't back KHTML so much as just base Webkit on it. Epiphany was a Webkit-based fully open browser but didn't actually get as popular as Firefox. The whole Firefox thing was a huge success. When they turned Mozilla (the browser) into this it was a feat. And then to coordinate the complex efforts to beat IE. It was amazing stuff. It was a really well-done job by Mozilla.

johnnyanmac 3y ago

> Firefox was the tool they used. They won. It's done. The web is universally standards compliant. sure, when there's only 2 standards (down from 3 10 years ago. Probably down from 5 20 years ago), it's very easy to be compliant to the standards of 2. But yeah, sad reality. What I want isn't necessarily what is most profitable. I'm tired of having to care about how much money my tools make to justify/chastise their ability to function.