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What is with Facebook and Microsoft ? I recently installed Facebook messenger on android and it literally had ads in the chat list itself. Yuck. Same for Micr

What is with Facebook and Microsoft ? I recently installed Facebook messenger on android and it literally had ads in the chat list itself. Yuck. Same for Microsoft. At least I don't have to use any ms product but everything has ads now ?? Why ?

donor20 3y ago
Having just fought a vendor for months to cancel a service - how do others not realize that long term the apple approach that builds trust will actually pay off? We had three people working to get cancellation done. Customer service / billing / tickets / emails and more. It was ridiculous. The only person who could cancel was a salesperson we’d never worked with who would NOT respond to calls and emails. And we pay this vendor 75,000+! Every time windows pro jams “search suggestions” and other crap in via notifications and elsewhere I just roll my eyes
- TMWNN 3y ago
  > Every time windows pro jams “search suggestions” and other crap in via notifications and elsewhere I just roll my eyes I need to use an Amazon application to read Transparency codes on certain products I sell. Amazon recently added ads that appear with the codes ... which cause the codes themselves to be almost impossible to select to copy to my computer.
  - donor20 3y ago
    Exactly- do these companies realize how annoying this stuff is? Same issues w volume licensed windows 10 - it comes w garbage. Everything you tough it seems gets stuffed w this crap
    - lodovic 3y ago
      They are trying to establish the level of annoyance acceptable to their customers. Once people start to leave they won't increase any more.
      - HenryBemis 3y ago
        Let me reword this for you.. "Once a small acceptable number of people start to leave they won't increase any more." Anyone (?) can leave with a small number of 'unimportant' clients to leave. And true, they tweak the level of annoyance to hit a balance. Remember the rule that one should fire the clients that are not profitable enough (and 'profitable' is a subjective term).
aethros 3y ago
For a while I used FB Messenger Lite, which was basically designed for low-bandwidth markets (read: not US) but came without any sort of bloat. Sadly they recently deprecated it, which forced me to switch. It seems like these companies feel the need to put ads everywhere--at some point I'd imagine some users will just stop using tools that are too bloated.
notatoad 3y ago
people don't like paying money for things. if you're willing to pay, the chatGPT app is going to be a better experience. the only reason to use the copilot app is to get gpt4 for free. and that means ads.
- digging 3y ago
  > people don't like paying money for things. This is probably not true, or why would people so often enjoy spending money? I think people do like (and now expect, thanks to decades of the "spyware" business model) getting free things. Combined with low levels of tech literacy and extremely low levels of trust in fair pricing of goods & services, and a typical person isn't likely to think there's any price that they ever should pay for software.
huytersd 3y ago
It’s pretty smelly. They probably don’t even make all that much from those specific ads but it makes the application/system feel completely cheap.
therealpygon 3y ago
Obviously, people need to pay for record profits somehow…
- HenryBemis 3y ago
  Shareholders want their dividends.. you can't blame them/us/yourself, can you? (assuming you also got some FAANG stock)(or some tech/SP500-like mutual funds)
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Let me get this straight. You're complaining that free web services you're not paying for with money, have ads in them? How do you expect them to pay for the infrastructure and dev wages without ad money? What exctly do you expect? @downvoters: seriously? you're donvoting someone for stating the bleeding obvious?
- NietTim 3y ago
  Holy asumption batman. Personally if I had a coice, I wouldn't use any facebook products like their messenger, but I don't want to give up contact with the few people I can only reach trough their platform. Paying for their services isn't even an option, I bet a lot of privacy minded people like me would gladly pay a fee just so they don't track you & serve you ads, _but you can't_.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    Those services would never be so popular today if they charge money to the users, because while you or me would be willing to pay, the vast majority of users (>90%) are not willing to pay a dime for services when there are free alternatives. How do you think Google's services got so popular? From charging money for them or from offering them for free? That's the hard truth and please don't pretend you didn't already know this fact before rating about it.
    - NietTim 3y ago
      I said option. Free tier could still exist. Good luck with your arguments.
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        That option already exists in the EU. Meta asks for 10 EUros/month in exchange for no ads. Guess how many people pay versus choose to have ads? Most people by a landslide choose the ads, because they don't see the value in paying cash to use social media. Please, enlightne me with your arguments then. Most likely when Copilot addoption gets big enough, ad free paid tiers will also pop up for those users who find it valuable, but until then it's easier to get mass adoption of a service by only having a free tier as paying money upfront for a yet unfamilar service puts off most users. That's what you don't understand.
butlike 3y ago
Because you don't pay $20/mo. for GPT? The compute isn't free...

donor20 3y ago

Having just fought a vendor for months to cancel a service - how do others not realize that long term the apple approach that builds trust will actually pay off? We had three people working to get cancellation done. Customer service / billing / tickets / emails and more. It was ridiculous. The only person who could cancel was a salesperson we’d never worked with who would NOT respond to calls and emails. And we pay this vendor 75,000+! Every time windows pro jams “search suggestions” and other crap in via notifications and elsewhere I just roll my eyes

TMWNN 3y ago
> Every time windows pro jams “search suggestions” and other crap in via notifications and elsewhere I just roll my eyes I need to use an Amazon application to read Transparency codes on certain products I sell. Amazon recently added ads that appear with the codes ... which cause the codes themselves to be almost impossible to select to copy to my computer.
- donor20 3y ago
  Exactly- do these companies realize how annoying this stuff is? Same issues w volume licensed windows 10 - it comes w garbage. Everything you tough it seems gets stuffed w this crap
  - lodovic 3y ago
    They are trying to establish the level of annoyance acceptable to their customers. Once people start to leave they won't increase any more.
    - HenryBemis 3y ago
      Let me reword this for you.. "Once a small acceptable number of people start to leave they won't increase any more." Anyone (?) can leave with a small number of 'unimportant' clients to leave. And true, they tweak the level of annoyance to hit a balance. Remember the rule that one should fire the clients that are not profitable enough (and 'profitable' is a subjective term).

aethros 3y ago

For a while I used FB Messenger Lite, which was basically designed for low-bandwidth markets (read: not US) but came without any sort of bloat. Sadly they recently deprecated it, which forced me to switch. It seems like these companies feel the need to put ads everywhere--at some point I'd imagine some users will just stop using tools that are too bloated.

notatoad 3y ago

people don't like paying money for things. if you're willing to pay, the chatGPT app is going to be a better experience. the only reason to use the copilot app is to get gpt4 for free. and that means ads.

digging 3y ago
> people don't like paying money for things. This is probably not true, or why would people so often enjoy spending money? I think people do like (and now expect, thanks to decades of the "spyware" business model) getting free things. Combined with low levels of tech literacy and extremely low levels of trust in fair pricing of goods & services, and a typical person isn't likely to think there's any price that they ever should pay for software.

huytersd 3y ago

It’s pretty smelly. They probably don’t even make all that much from those specific ads but it makes the application/system feel completely cheap.

therealpygon 3y ago

Obviously, people need to pay for record profits somehow…

HenryBemis 3y ago
Shareholders want their dividends.. you can't blame them/us/yourself, can you? (assuming you also got some FAANG stock)(or some tech/SP500-like mutual funds)

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

Let me get this straight. You're complaining that free web services you're not paying for with money, have ads in them? How do you expect them to pay for the infrastructure and dev wages without ad money? What exctly do you expect? @downvoters: seriously? you're donvoting someone for stating the bleeding obvious?

NietTim 3y ago
Holy asumption batman. Personally if I had a coice, I wouldn't use any facebook products like their messenger, but I don't want to give up contact with the few people I can only reach trough their platform. Paying for their services isn't even an option, I bet a lot of privacy minded people like me would gladly pay a fee just so they don't track you & serve you ads, _but you can't_.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Those services would never be so popular today if they charge money to the users, because while you or me would be willing to pay, the vast majority of users (>90%) are not willing to pay a dime for services when there are free alternatives. How do you think Google's services got so popular? From charging money for them or from offering them for free? That's the hard truth and please don't pretend you didn't already know this fact before rating about it.
  - NietTim 3y ago
    I said option. Free tier could still exist. Good luck with your arguments.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      That option already exists in the EU. Meta asks for 10 EUros/month in exchange for no ads. Guess how many people pay versus choose to have ads? Most people by a landslide choose the ads, because they don't see the value in paying cash to use social media. Please, enlightne me with your arguments then. Most likely when Copilot addoption gets big enough, ad free paid tiers will also pop up for those users who find it valuable, but until then it's easier to get mass adoption of a service by only having a free tier as paying money upfront for a yet unfamilar service puts off most users. That's what you don't understand.

butlike 3y ago

Because you don't pay $20/mo. for GPT? The compute isn't free...