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99 times out of 100, snakes leave you alone if you leave them alone. Most snake bites occur on the hands or face because they happen when people are messing wi

99 times out of 100, snakes leave you alone if you leave them alone. Most snake bites occur on the hands or face because they happen when people are messing with them. It's extremely unethical to kill snakes. If you have a venomous snake somewhere on your property that you cannot tolerate it, you should call an expert to come move it for you.

chasil 3y ago
It is not unethical to kill an invasive species. The invasive snakes in Florida would better serve their local biosphere if they ceased to exist, no question. For the 50k annual human fatalities from snakes, that is a matter of personal opinion. https://digg.com/data-viz/link/deadly-animals-kill-most-humans-ranked https://digg.com/data-viz/link/deadly-animals-kill-most-huma...
- lupusreal 3y ago
  The invasive snakes in Florida aren't venomous. I'm not aware of any invasive snakes with medically significant venom anywhere in the world, but killing invasive snakes is fine. The snakes which kill people virtually always fall into one of two categories; native species and pets. These shouldn't be killed except in the most dire of contrived circumstances (e.g. "what if there is a cobra poised to strike my child who cannot run away?"). Leaving the snake alone is always a better choice.
beaeglebeached 3y ago
In Arizona snakebites happen on average to 50+, not really a demographic known to fuck with snakes. Snake shot should definitely not be carried in rattlesnake territory. Definitely not.
- lupusreal 3y ago
  Most of them are men with old fashioned attitudes towards snakes who aren't as young and spry as they used to be, who fuck with the snakes and get rewarded with a bite. Rattlesnakes are perhaps the most courteous of all venomous snakes; they are named for their instinctual habit of making a lot of noise to warn you away. Unfortunately their rattling often gets them killed by ignorant people (particularly those old people) and so some populations of rattlesnakes are now less inclined to rattle. This puts humans at greater risk, so particularly in the case of rattlesnakes you should leave them alone. If you step on one that didn't rattle and you kill it after getting bitten then I could forgive you, but killing any random rattlesnake you happen across is an asshole move.
  - beaeglebeached 3y ago
    I don't care about ethics nor being an asshole. Curious what remaining methods of shame are incoming.
    - lupusreal 3y ago
      No further need, you've done my work and neatly discredited yourself and the premise of needlessly killing snakes.
      - beaeglebeached 3y ago
        An ad hominem, even against myself, would be fallacious when used to discredit factual statements. You're also inventing a strawman of 'needless' killing. In any case I've seen small children playing in places I 'formerly' saw a snake, and I'm willing to take all the 'discredit' in the world to not live with the guilt of finding out they were bit not long after I encountered the venomous snake. I don't give a shit about some snake off the beaten path far from where the vulnerable roam, and indeed I leave those alone.

chasil 3y ago

It is not unethical to kill an invasive species. The invasive snakes in Florida would better serve their local biosphere if they ceased to exist, no question. For the 50k annual human fatalities from snakes, that is a matter of personal opinion. https://digg.com/data-viz/link/deadly-animals-kill-most-humans-ranked https://digg.com/data-viz/link/deadly-animals-kill-most-huma...

lupusreal 3y ago
The invasive snakes in Florida aren't venomous. I'm not aware of any invasive snakes with medically significant venom anywhere in the world, but killing invasive snakes is fine. The snakes which kill people virtually always fall into one of two categories; native species and pets. These shouldn't be killed except in the most dire of contrived circumstances (e.g. "what if there is a cobra poised to strike my child who cannot run away?"). Leaving the snake alone is always a better choice.

beaeglebeached 3y ago

In Arizona snakebites happen on average to 50+, not really a demographic known to fuck with snakes. Snake shot should definitely not be carried in rattlesnake territory. Definitely not.

lupusreal 3y ago
Most of them are men with old fashioned attitudes towards snakes who aren't as young and spry as they used to be, who fuck with the snakes and get rewarded with a bite. Rattlesnakes are perhaps the most courteous of all venomous snakes; they are named for their instinctual habit of making a lot of noise to warn you away. Unfortunately their rattling often gets them killed by ignorant people (particularly those old people) and so some populations of rattlesnakes are now less inclined to rattle. This puts humans at greater risk, so particularly in the case of rattlesnakes you should leave them alone. If you step on one that didn't rattle and you kill it after getting bitten then I could forgive you, but killing any random rattlesnake you happen across is an asshole move.
- beaeglebeached 3y ago
  I don't care about ethics nor being an asshole. Curious what remaining methods of shame are incoming.
  - lupusreal 3y ago
    No further need, you've done my work and neatly discredited yourself and the premise of needlessly killing snakes.
    - beaeglebeached 3y ago
      An ad hominem, even against myself, would be fallacious when used to discredit factual statements. You're also inventing a strawman of 'needless' killing. In any case I've seen small children playing in places I 'formerly' saw a snake, and I'm willing to take all the 'discredit' in the world to not live with the guilt of finding out they were bit not long after I encountered the venomous snake. I don't give a shit about some snake off the beaten path far from where the vulnerable roam, and indeed I leave those alone.