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I'm very much of two minds about this. The first is that, at the very least, the three women up in front of Congress did a very, very poor job dealing with Cong

I'm very much of two minds about this. The first is that, at the very least, the three women up in front of Congress did a very, very poor job dealing with Congress. That reflects the unequal treatment by the administration of different groups, depending on the types of speech being said. Saying that schools considered calls for genocide against Jewish people's protected speech ... was a bad tactic to take, given all of the other examples raised at that session. Rules for thee, not for me, has been Ivy League's privilege for years now. She previously ran the DEI initiative that was found to discriminate against Asians at Harvard by the USSC. It's only equitable if some are more equitable than others. That said, this will only further the restrictions on speech at universities, which has been weaponized to an almost inconceivable degree, as it was in this case.

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wolverine876 3y ago
> Saying that schools considered calls for genocide against Jewish people's protected speech That's the power of talking points. Once people internalize them, then the conclusions are inescapable. If you can frame the question, you've already won the debate. It's like calling abortion the murder of children - if you accept that, then the abortion debate is of course over for you. The only protection is to question our premises. Did Gay say that? It would seem pretty odd ... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38848351 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38848351
- InTheArena 3y ago
  It's pretty easy to interpret "from the river to the sea" as the extermination of Israel. It's also easy for those who define Intifada at face value when they say that only with the death of every Jew will the Second Intifada be complete. This is like people stating in 2000 that when Bin Ladin said Jihad against America, it didn't count - he was talking about Big Jihad and not small Jihad.
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    It's "pretty easy" to type anything in to an HN comment box, or say anything as a talking head on a news broadcast, but that's not evidence. Strong, highly prejudicial claims require strong evidence.
    - InTheArena 3y ago
      "Palestine is ours from the river to the sea and from the south to the north,” Khaled Mashaal, the group’s former leader, said in a 2012 speech in Gaza celebrating the 25th anniversary of the founding of Hamas, the Associated Press reported." --- Attitudes about Isreal, including using Intifada/armed uprising metrics: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/palestinians-attitudes-about-terrorism https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/palestinians-attitudes-...
      - wolverine876 3y ago
        Mashaal's quote doesn't say anything about extermination. Hamas' manifestos also claim the land (and so do many Jewish Israeli groups and, afaik, their manifestos) and rule of it. But where is there advocacy of extermination? Could you point to where that very long survey supports your claim? I read and skimmed parts, and searched for some words, but didn't find it.

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wolverine876 3y ago

> Saying that schools considered calls for genocide against Jewish people's protected speech That's the power of talking points. Once people internalize them, then the conclusions are inescapable. If you can frame the question, you've already won the debate. It's like calling abortion the murder of children - if you accept that, then the abortion debate is of course over for you. The only protection is to question our premises. Did Gay say that? It would seem pretty odd ... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38848351 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38848351

InTheArena 3y ago
It's pretty easy to interpret "from the river to the sea" as the extermination of Israel. It's also easy for those who define Intifada at face value when they say that only with the death of every Jew will the Second Intifada be complete. This is like people stating in 2000 that when Bin Ladin said Jihad against America, it didn't count - he was talking about Big Jihad and not small Jihad.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  It's "pretty easy" to type anything in to an HN comment box, or say anything as a talking head on a news broadcast, but that's not evidence. Strong, highly prejudicial claims require strong evidence.
  - InTheArena 3y ago
    "Palestine is ours from the river to the sea and from the south to the north,” Khaled Mashaal, the group’s former leader, said in a 2012 speech in Gaza celebrating the 25th anniversary of the founding of Hamas, the Associated Press reported." --- Attitudes about Isreal, including using Intifada/armed uprising metrics: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/palestinians-attitudes-about-terrorism https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/palestinians-attitudes-...
    - wolverine876 3y ago
      Mashaal's quote doesn't say anything about extermination. Hamas' manifestos also claim the land (and so do many Jewish Israeli groups and, afaik, their manifestos) and rule of it. But where is there advocacy of extermination? Could you point to where that very long survey supports your claim? I read and skimmed parts, and searched for some words, but didn't find it.