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Should not the same standard be applied to high positions such as the US president? If it is only based on inconvenience, it begs a deeper question.

ProjectArcturis 3y ago
As a free people, we the United States are able to elect whatever incompetent moron criminal we choose.
nailer 3y ago
Has the US President called for genocide?
- krapp 3y ago
  The US President has pledged unwavering support for Israel, a state currently engaged in genocide, and has vetoed efforts by other countries to call for a humanitarian ceasefire, thus helping the genocide continue unabated, and is sending billions of dollars in weapons to Israel so they don't run out of the means by which to commit further genocide. While he did not literally stand at a podium and utter the phrase "I, Joe Biden, President of the United States, hereby call for genocide," one must be able to read the room.
  - nailer 3y ago
    > The US President has pledged unwavering support for Israel, a state currently engaged in genocide No. There are many Arab countries all over the world, they are safe from Israel, Israel does not want to destroy all arabs in the same way that people want to destroy all Jews. 20% of Israel's population is Arab, there are 400 mosques as most Arabs are muslims, every sign in translated into Arabic then English, and Israeli Arabs have the same rights as Israeli Jews - to healthcare, to vote, to worship who they please, to be safe from sectarian violence, to be elected to parliament. Ask anyone in Tel Aviv and they'll tell you the best hummus isn't in Tel Aviv, but next door in Jafo at Abu Hassan. Arabs in Israel have better lives than Arabs in any Arabic country - compare Israel with say Saudi, where arabs don't have the right to vote, or Gaza where gay people are executed. Arabs in remaining parts of the British mandate (outside Israel and Jordan, ie West Bank and Gaza) started referring to themselves as Palestinian in the 1960 - before then they were simply arabs. Philistines are Greek so obviously arabs are not Philistines. But if you think Palestinian is a genus of people, we can entertain the concept - the population of Gaza has increased 10 fold over the last few years, and Gaza has been left alone since Israel left the country and gave it a 300M/year flower export business in 2005. > has vetoed efforts by other countries to call for a humanitarian ceasefire Most of those called for by the UN allow Hamas to keep the Jewish people they are storing in tunnels. There would be a ceasefire right now if Hamas gave back 40 hostages as requested last week.
    - johnnyworker 3y ago
      > There are many Arab countries all over the world, they are safe from Israel, Israel does not want to destroy all arabs in the same way that people want to destroy all Jews. Some IDF soldiers are dancing, chanting "there are no schools in Gaza because there are no kids in Gaza" and "Gaza is a cemetary". The category of "Arabs" is not relevant here at all.
      - nailer 3y ago
        > a state currently engaged in genocide > The category of "Arabs" is not relevant here at all. Do you think it's genocide or not?
        johnnyworker 3y ago
        On top of the collective punishment and other war crimes committed en masse, the aim to make Gaza unlivable for the people living there has been repeated by several Israeli politicians by now and even more importantly matches the actions of the IDF. Are you implying that genocide has necessarily to do with wanting to exterminate a so-called "race"? It does not. From Wikipedia: > In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. The category of "Arabs" is therefore irrelevant. And moreover that's you counting people as that monolithic category, not the affected individuals doing it. How great "Arabs" have it somewhere else for whatever irrelevant reason doesn't help a person in Gaza, or justify crimes against humanity on them, just because they're "also Arabs". They are individual persons with names and all that.
        nailer 3y ago
        > On top of the collective punishment and other war crimes committed en masse What collective punishment? If you are referring to the end of the free utilities, Hamas has a responsibility to provide it's citizens with water and electricity, Israel does not have any obligation to provide these services for free to a neighboring region. > Are you implying that genocide I'm implying nothing. Wikipedia is not a source, but let's use it anyway since you cited it: "a national, ethnical, racial or religious group" - British Palestine was not a nation - the British mandate was a multi-ethnic territory, consisting of Jews, Arabs, Christians, and Druze. Likewise the Ottoman Empire beforehand. There has never been a Palestinian ethnostate run by arabs for arabs, although many arabs wished for one and tried to achieve an arab ethnostate in 1948, 67, and 73, and many "pro Palestinian" people still march today for an arab ethnostate. - The ethnic and racial group is arabs. Arabs outside Israel and Jordan in the former British Mandate called themselves arabs prior to 1960. There are no records of Palestinian people prior to this. The actual Philistines were Greek. Israel does not seek to destroy all arabs, as discussed previously. - Israel does not seek to destroy all Muslims either. So Israel does not seek to destroy any nation, any ethnic group, any race or any religion. > How great "Arabs" have it somewhere else doesn't prove... Arabs are real, I don't know why you have them in quotes. What it does prove is that your claim of genocide is false. While we're at it: just a reminder that Hamas rejected 3 ceasefires in the last week because you (and I say you because pro-Palestinians are inevitably pro Hamas) didn't want to give back the people they stole, including young women, six 79+ year olds, and at least one baby. Speaking of war crimes, would you say that gouging out a father's eyes, so he can listen as you saw off his daughter's leg, and listen as you cut off his sons fingers counts as a war crime? How does that compare in the 'war crimes' department to not giving someone free electricity?
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ProjectArcturis 3y ago

As a free people, we the United States are able to elect whatever incompetent moron criminal we choose.

nailer 3y ago

Has the US President called for genocide?

krapp 3y ago
The US President has pledged unwavering support for Israel, a state currently engaged in genocide, and has vetoed efforts by other countries to call for a humanitarian ceasefire, thus helping the genocide continue unabated, and is sending billions of dollars in weapons to Israel so they don't run out of the means by which to commit further genocide. While he did not literally stand at a podium and utter the phrase "I, Joe Biden, President of the United States, hereby call for genocide," one must be able to read the room.
- nailer 3y ago
  > The US President has pledged unwavering support for Israel, a state currently engaged in genocide No. There are many Arab countries all over the world, they are safe from Israel, Israel does not want to destroy all arabs in the same way that people want to destroy all Jews. 20% of Israel's population is Arab, there are 400 mosques as most Arabs are muslims, every sign in translated into Arabic then English, and Israeli Arabs have the same rights as Israeli Jews - to healthcare, to vote, to worship who they please, to be safe from sectarian violence, to be elected to parliament. Ask anyone in Tel Aviv and they'll tell you the best hummus isn't in Tel Aviv, but next door in Jafo at Abu Hassan. Arabs in Israel have better lives than Arabs in any Arabic country - compare Israel with say Saudi, where arabs don't have the right to vote, or Gaza where gay people are executed. Arabs in remaining parts of the British mandate (outside Israel and Jordan, ie West Bank and Gaza) started referring to themselves as Palestinian in the 1960 - before then they were simply arabs. Philistines are Greek so obviously arabs are not Philistines. But if you think Palestinian is a genus of people, we can entertain the concept - the population of Gaza has increased 10 fold over the last few years, and Gaza has been left alone since Israel left the country and gave it a 300M/year flower export business in 2005. > has vetoed efforts by other countries to call for a humanitarian ceasefire Most of those called for by the UN allow Hamas to keep the Jewish people they are storing in tunnels. There would be a ceasefire right now if Hamas gave back 40 hostages as requested last week.
  - johnnyworker 3y ago
    > There are many Arab countries all over the world, they are safe from Israel, Israel does not want to destroy all arabs in the same way that people want to destroy all Jews. Some IDF soldiers are dancing, chanting "there are no schools in Gaza because there are no kids in Gaza" and "Gaza is a cemetary". The category of "Arabs" is not relevant here at all.
    - nailer 3y ago
      > a state currently engaged in genocide > The category of "Arabs" is not relevant here at all. Do you think it's genocide or not?
      - johnnyworker 3y ago
        On top of the collective punishment and other war crimes committed en masse, the aim to make Gaza unlivable for the people living there has been repeated by several Israeli politicians by now and even more importantly matches the actions of the IDF. Are you implying that genocide has necessarily to do with wanting to exterminate a so-called "race"? It does not. From Wikipedia: > In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. The category of "Arabs" is therefore irrelevant. And moreover that's you counting people as that monolithic category, not the affected individuals doing it. How great "Arabs" have it somewhere else for whatever irrelevant reason doesn't help a person in Gaza, or justify crimes against humanity on them, just because they're "also Arabs". They are individual persons with names and all that.
        nailer 3y ago
        > On top of the collective punishment and other war crimes committed en masse What collective punishment? If you are referring to the end of the free utilities, Hamas has a responsibility to provide it's citizens with water and electricity, Israel does not have any obligation to provide these services for free to a neighboring region. > Are you implying that genocide I'm implying nothing. Wikipedia is not a source, but let's use it anyway since you cited it: "a national, ethnical, racial or religious group" - British Palestine was not a nation - the British mandate was a multi-ethnic territory, consisting of Jews, Arabs, Christians, and Druze. Likewise the Ottoman Empire beforehand. There has never been a Palestinian ethnostate run by arabs for arabs, although many arabs wished for one and tried to achieve an arab ethnostate in 1948, 67, and 73, and many "pro Palestinian" people still march today for an arab ethnostate. - The ethnic and racial group is arabs. Arabs outside Israel and Jordan in the former British Mandate called themselves arabs prior to 1960. There are no records of Palestinian people prior to this. The actual Philistines were Greek. Israel does not seek to destroy all arabs, as discussed previously. - Israel does not seek to destroy all Muslims either. So Israel does not seek to destroy any nation, any ethnic group, any race or any religion. > How great "Arabs" have it somewhere else doesn't prove... Arabs are real, I don't know why you have them in quotes. What it does prove is that your claim of genocide is false. While we're at it: just a reminder that Hamas rejected 3 ceasefires in the last week because you (and I say you because pro-Palestinians are inevitably pro Hamas) didn't want to give back the people they stole, including young women, six 79+ year olds, and at least one baby. Speaking of war crimes, would you say that gouging out a father's eyes, so he can listen as you saw off his daughter's leg, and listen as you cut off his sons fingers counts as a war crime? How does that compare in the 'war crimes' department to not giving someone free electricity?
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