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The “BS” label is important though: that hints that GP does indeed think it can be ignored/doesn’t exist. A retort to this isn’t unwarranted if you believe that

The “BS” label is important though: that hints that GP does indeed think it can be ignored/doesn’t exist. A retort to this isn’t unwarranted if you believe that Musk’s actions does impact ad spending.

s1artibartfast 3y ago
my point is that the topic of Musk's actions and impacts absolutely can be ignored if that isnt the question you are interested in. For example, I can ask and be interested in how the cost per click/sale on twitter compares to meta, without diving into they question of why. That is certainly how I took the question at least.
- fnordsensei 3y ago
  I agree, for the purpose of scholarly dissection of the subject, it’s perfectly fine. My point was that lining it up by calling it “BS” invites counter arguments, which is what happened here. If you’re not happy to implicitly accept the “BS”, you’ll have to address it. Dropping the “BS” label would have led to a more focused discussion. It matters _how_ you ask a question.
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    I see your point and agree that clarity may have helped. I read "BS" a little differently, as acknowledgement that all of the Elon stuff is a shambolic mess. It also seems to be the case that some people didnt just disagree with the BS classification, but fundamentally disagree that anything besides Elon is a valid topic of conversation. IT does matters how you ask a question, but some people will reject or change the topic no matter how you ask it.
    - s1artibartfast 3y ago
      Case example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38848821 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38848821
      - fnordsensei 3y ago
        Comes off as abrasive IMO. Someone might as well reply "I don't care that you don't care" then. You're more likely to get a good response from cutting all of that out and just leaving the meat: "I want to know about the current ROI for Twitter advertising, in standard marketing metrics." The abrasiveness picks up in your replies. It comes off as if you went in looking for a fight. I don't know if you did or not, but the quality of the response reflects the attitude in which your question was posed. In my opinion.
    - fnordsensei 3y ago
      Right, it might read as "Musk's bullshit" or "the bullshit aimed at Musk." Either way, the ambiguity doesn't help. It might tick off both Musk-huggers and Musk-whippers, depending on how they read it.

s1artibartfast 3y ago

my point is that the topic of Musk's actions and impacts absolutely can be ignored if that isnt the question you are interested in. For example, I can ask and be interested in how the cost per click/sale on twitter compares to meta, without diving into they question of why. That is certainly how I took the question at least.

fnordsensei 3y ago
I agree, for the purpose of scholarly dissection of the subject, it’s perfectly fine. My point was that lining it up by calling it “BS” invites counter arguments, which is what happened here. If you’re not happy to implicitly accept the “BS”, you’ll have to address it. Dropping the “BS” label would have led to a more focused discussion. It matters _how_ you ask a question.
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  I see your point and agree that clarity may have helped. I read "BS" a little differently, as acknowledgement that all of the Elon stuff is a shambolic mess. It also seems to be the case that some people didnt just disagree with the BS classification, but fundamentally disagree that anything besides Elon is a valid topic of conversation. IT does matters how you ask a question, but some people will reject or change the topic no matter how you ask it.
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    Case example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38848821 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38848821
    - fnordsensei 3y ago
      Comes off as abrasive IMO. Someone might as well reply "I don't care that you don't care" then. You're more likely to get a good response from cutting all of that out and just leaving the meat: "I want to know about the current ROI for Twitter advertising, in standard marketing metrics." The abrasiveness picks up in your replies. It comes off as if you went in looking for a fight. I don't know if you did or not, but the quality of the response reflects the attitude in which your question was posed. In my opinion.
  - fnordsensei 3y ago
    Right, it might read as "Musk's bullshit" or "the bullshit aimed at Musk." Either way, the ambiguity doesn't help. It might tick off both Musk-huggers and Musk-whippers, depending on how they read it.