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What are the ideas of the other side you feel are not allowed?

eli_gottlieb 3y ago
"Israel has a right to exist and defend itself" is allowed but will certainly get you subjected to both overt and under-the-table harassment. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/queering-antisemitism https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/queering-an...
- enterprise_cog 3y ago
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  - porkbeer 3y ago
    Not sure why your comment is fading, I have seen this firsthand. Maybe this is another example.
  - eli_gottlieb 3y ago
    > Opposing Zionism or what Israel is doing will get you doxxed, expelled, and blacklisted. Can you provide three examples in which no other infraction, violation, or crime was committed except for opposing Zionism?
    - runarberg 3y ago
      - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dershowitz%E2%80%93Finkelstein_affair#Dershowitz's_involvement_in_Finkelstein's_denial_of_tenure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dershowitz%E2%80%93Finkelstein... - https://www.jta.org/2022/01/26/ny/a-jewish-educator-sues-a-new-york-area-synagogue-saying-she-was-fired-for-espousing-anti-zionist-beliefs https://www.jta.org/2022/01/26/ny/a-jewish-educator-sues-a-n... - https://www.inquirer.com/news/teacher-fired-jack-barrack-academy-zionism-20210603.html https://www.inquirer.com/news/teacher-fired-jack-barrack-aca... The first case is not a clean one. The charges were correctly accusing a pro-israeli hack for being a hack.
      - eli_gottlieb 3y ago
        So the only two clean cases available are Jewish organizations? As in, Jewish organizations want to employ people who uphold those organizations' politics rather than oppose them? This is your censorship?
        runarberg 3y ago
        Finkelsteins crime was indeed opposing zionism. He just did it in a spectacular way which exposed a famous pro-israel as a hack, that is the only additional charge. I included it there because it is such a famous case and was easy for me to remember. The other two are the result of a quick web search of the term “fired for opposing zionism”. I remembered the news about Sander’s case after being reminded. But the other one was me discovering it for the first time. Here is another case from my search results that I just discovered now: https://mondoweiss.net/2023/09/i-was-harassed-by-zionists-and-fired-for-it-twice-inside-the-culture-of-fear-that-runs-jewish-institutional-life/ https://mondoweiss.net/2023/09/i-was-harassed-by-zionists-an... And another, this time not an explicitly Jewish institution https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Antisemitism/Fieldston-School-fires-teacher-who-posted-anti-Zionist-tweets-613754 https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Antisemitism/Fieldston-School... Also notice that it should be harder to find clean examples, as institution are likely to hide their reasoning (fearing legal actions like Jessie Sander’s case). Like with Claudine Gay they trump up different charges. I don’t think it is a coincidence that all of the victims in my examples are Jewish. Zionism hurts Jews as well as it hurts Muslims. For some reason Zionists don’t feel like they have to hide their intention when they unfairly treat anti-zionist Jews.
        eli_gottlieb 3y ago
        So you've got one example of someone fired for antizionism from a non-Jewish institution and it comes with the rather uncomfortable additional context that > During that same academic year, swastikas began appearing in Fieldston halls and classrooms. In what would become a recurring theme for some Jewish families, parents told me that they were taken aback when school leadership responded to the initial appearance of the swastikas with a presentation for students that foregrounded “the ancient history of the symbol,” as one parent who saw the presentation told me.

"Israel has a right to exist and defend itself" is allowed but will certainly get you subjected to both overt and under-the-table harassment. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/queering-antisemitism https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/queering-an...

enterprise_cog 3y ago
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- porkbeer 3y ago
  Not sure why your comment is fading, I have seen this firsthand. Maybe this is another example.
- eli_gottlieb 3y ago
  > Opposing Zionism or what Israel is doing will get you doxxed, expelled, and blacklisted. Can you provide three examples in which no other infraction, violation, or crime was committed except for opposing Zionism?
  - runarberg 3y ago
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dershowitz%E2%80%93Finkelstein_affair#Dershowitz's_involvement_in_Finkelstein's_denial_of_tenure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dershowitz%E2%80%93Finkelstein... - https://www.jta.org/2022/01/26/ny/a-jewish-educator-sues-a-new-york-area-synagogue-saying-she-was-fired-for-espousing-anti-zionist-beliefs https://www.jta.org/2022/01/26/ny/a-jewish-educator-sues-a-n... - https://www.inquirer.com/news/teacher-fired-jack-barrack-academy-zionism-20210603.html https://www.inquirer.com/news/teacher-fired-jack-barrack-aca... The first case is not a clean one. The charges were correctly accusing a pro-israeli hack for being a hack.
    - eli_gottlieb 3y ago
      So the only two clean cases available are Jewish organizations? As in, Jewish organizations want to employ people who uphold those organizations' politics rather than oppose them? This is your censorship?
      - runarberg 3y ago
        Finkelsteins crime was indeed opposing zionism. He just did it in a spectacular way which exposed a famous pro-israel as a hack, that is the only additional charge. I included it there because it is such a famous case and was easy for me to remember. The other two are the result of a quick web search of the term “fired for opposing zionism”. I remembered the news about Sander’s case after being reminded. But the other one was me discovering it for the first time. Here is another case from my search results that I just discovered now: https://mondoweiss.net/2023/09/i-was-harassed-by-zionists-and-fired-for-it-twice-inside-the-culture-of-fear-that-runs-jewish-institutional-life/ https://mondoweiss.net/2023/09/i-was-harassed-by-zionists-an... And another, this time not an explicitly Jewish institution https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Antisemitism/Fieldston-School-fires-teacher-who-posted-anti-Zionist-tweets-613754 https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Antisemitism/Fieldston-School... Also notice that it should be harder to find clean examples, as institution are likely to hide their reasoning (fearing legal actions like Jessie Sander’s case). Like with Claudine Gay they trump up different charges. I don’t think it is a coincidence that all of the victims in my examples are Jewish. Zionism hurts Jews as well as it hurts Muslims. For some reason Zionists don’t feel like they have to hide their intention when they unfairly treat anti-zionist Jews.
        eli_gottlieb 3y ago
        So you've got one example of someone fired for antizionism from a non-Jewish institution and it comes with the rather uncomfortable additional context that > During that same academic year, swastikas began appearing in Fieldston halls and classrooms. In what would become a recurring theme for some Jewish families, parents told me that they were taken aback when school leadership responded to the initial appearance of the swastikas with a presentation for students that foregrounded “the ancient history of the symbol,” as one parent who saw the presentation told me.