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The problem is that they did handle it internally, by doing nothing and ignoring everyone. I follow Ackman and he's been absolutely laser focused on getting he

The problem is that they did handle it internally, by doing nothing and ignoring everyone. I follow Ackman and he's been absolutely laser focused on getting her out. To an unhealthy degree, even. I guess he can sleep, finally. Anyways, he revealed a lot during this, and gave 'insider' info that basically Harvard didn't do anything because they didn't want to seem told to do so. That's basically the attitude my 12 year old has.

AnimalMuppet 3y ago
> That's basically the attitude my 12 year old has. True, but... for a public institution that leans left to give in to pressure from the right is going to mean the right thinks they can push that institution around with pressure. It's to open the door to a lot more pressure. Of course, the right way out of this dilemma is to, once it's brought to your attention, ignore the pressure but handle it like you should have handled it, and with public statements of status. "We are aware of the allegations. We have formed an independent committee to investigate. Until that investigation terminates, we have no further statement." And then a public statement when it has terminated. And so on. Then you're doing the right thing, but not responding to pressure.
- itbeho 3y ago
  Bill Ackman is right leaning? Arguably the biggest proponent of Gay's ouster while being one of the biggest donors to Chuck Schumer and the DNC.
- jaybaxter 3y ago
  It is very confusing to me how this got painted as pressure solely from the right. Ackman seemed like the driving force behind it, and he has mostly donated to democrats: "Since 1998, with few exceptions to select Republicans, Ackman has mainly donated to Democratic election candidates. Ackman has donated more than $600,000 to Democratic campaigns" https://www.influencewatch.org/person/bill-ackman/#:~:text=25-,Political%20Contributions,donated%20to%20Democratic%20election%20candidates.&text=Ackman%20has%20donated%20more%20than,mayor%20Pete%20Buttigieg%2C%20former%20Rep https://www.influencewatch.org/person/bill-ackman/#:~:text=2....
bsaul 3y ago
do you have any link on that "ackman" affirmation ? First time i hear about that person
- silisili 3y ago
  https://twitter.com/BillAckman/ https://twitter.com/BillAckman/
fzeroracer 3y ago
I imagine this is partly because he really, really badly wanted to doxx the Harvard undergraduates who signed a letter blaming Israel for their actions so that he could create a blacklist of all those people and ensure they're never hired. Inadvertently proving them correct that expressing those kinds of views is very dangerous to your livelihood. So he took to lashing out at the university directly instead.
- nailer 3y ago
  They signed a public letter. Making sure other people are aware of their actions is not ‘doxxing’.
  - fzeroracer 3y ago
    It was a joint statement of various student groups at Harvard with no names attached (to protect the people who signed it). He specifically wanted the names of everyone who signed or agreed with it released so they could be harassed or denied jobs. That's as close to the literal term of doxxing as you can get.
    - nailer 3y ago
      It was signed as "Harvard Undergraduate Palestine Solidarity Committee". Membership of the group is not considered a secret.
      - fzeroracer 3y ago
        No, it was signed by the Palestine solidarity committee AND co-signed by 33 other organizations. Why do you think Bill was threatening them and demanding their names? Many individuals were doxxed and more were likely kept safe because it was signed by the org, not individuals.
        nailer 3y ago
        Membership of the group is not considered a secret, and a name of a group member is not considered doxxing. Not is being exposed for shameful viewpoints a matter of safety.

AnimalMuppet 3y ago

> That's basically the attitude my 12 year old has. True, but... for a public institution that leans left to give in to pressure from the right is going to mean the right thinks they can push that institution around with pressure. It's to open the door to a lot more pressure. Of course, the right way out of this dilemma is to, once it's brought to your attention, ignore the pressure but handle it like you should have handled it, and with public statements of status. "We are aware of the allegations. We have formed an independent committee to investigate. Until that investigation terminates, we have no further statement." And then a public statement when it has terminated. And so on. Then you're doing the right thing, but not responding to pressure.

itbeho 3y ago
Bill Ackman is right leaning? Arguably the biggest proponent of Gay's ouster while being one of the biggest donors to Chuck Schumer and the DNC.
jaybaxter 3y ago
It is very confusing to me how this got painted as pressure solely from the right. Ackman seemed like the driving force behind it, and he has mostly donated to democrats: "Since 1998, with few exceptions to select Republicans, Ackman has mainly donated to Democratic election candidates. Ackman has donated more than $600,000 to Democratic campaigns" https://www.influencewatch.org/person/bill-ackman/#:~:text=25-,Political%20Contributions,donated%20to%20Democratic%20election%20candidates.&text=Ackman%20has%20donated%20more%20than,mayor%20Pete%20Buttigieg%2C%20former%20Rep https://www.influencewatch.org/person/bill-ackman/#:~:text=2....

bsaul 3y ago

do you have any link on that "ackman" affirmation ? First time i hear about that person

silisili 3y ago
https://twitter.com/BillAckman/ https://twitter.com/BillAckman/

fzeroracer 3y ago

I imagine this is partly because he really, really badly wanted to doxx the Harvard undergraduates who signed a letter blaming Israel for their actions so that he could create a blacklist of all those people and ensure they're never hired. Inadvertently proving them correct that expressing those kinds of views is very dangerous to your livelihood. So he took to lashing out at the university directly instead.

nailer 3y ago
They signed a public letter. Making sure other people are aware of their actions is not ‘doxxing’.
- fzeroracer 3y ago
  It was a joint statement of various student groups at Harvard with no names attached (to protect the people who signed it). He specifically wanted the names of everyone who signed or agreed with it released so they could be harassed or denied jobs. That's as close to the literal term of doxxing as you can get.
  - nailer 3y ago
    It was signed as "Harvard Undergraduate Palestine Solidarity Committee". Membership of the group is not considered a secret.
    - fzeroracer 3y ago
      No, it was signed by the Palestine solidarity committee AND co-signed by 33 other organizations. Why do you think Bill was threatening them and demanding their names? Many individuals were doxxed and more were likely kept safe because it was signed by the org, not individuals.
      - nailer 3y ago
        Membership of the group is not considered a secret, and a name of a group member is not considered doxxing. Not is being exposed for shameful viewpoints a matter of safety.