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In the coming years we're going to see a war on meats as large organizations push their "environmentally friendly" patented protein sources. The small farmer wi

by 1905 3y ago

In the coming years we're going to see a war on meats as large organizations push their "environmentally friendly" patented protein sources. The small farmer will be pushed out with carbon taxes and other fees.

11235813213455 3y ago
meat should be considered luxury, based on its footprint, so higher cost and people should consume much less of it, simple
- robocat 3y ago
  The limit of that argument is that most everything is a luxury, that life itself is a luxury that should be taken away.
  - 11235813213455 3y ago
    Luxury: "something adding to pleasure or comfort but not absolutely necessary" Talking, walking, breathing air, drinking water, eating cereal or local vegetables are not luxuries Talking to friends over phone, taking your car to gym to then run on a treadmill, drinking anything but water, smoking, eating meat/fish/dairy products/processed food are luxuries
    - robocat 3y ago
      Your comment implies very deep inconsistency: your examples have no pattern that others outside of your circle might agree upon. Why should your personal "definition" of luxury be a golden standard for all? Cereal is an internationally traded commodity - the polar opposite of local produce. Local produce is often an expensive luxury in my experience. Even in my hippy experiences I don't think I've ever met someone who has grown their own oats. You define talking to friends over phone as a luxury - why? Is having time and opportunity to talk to friends in person a luxury? Are food standards a luxury? Is potable tap water a luxury? Historically beer was a means of providing safe drinking water. Was it a luxury when used for that purpose? Is commenting on an internet forum using your mobile phone a luxury? I am probably being provocative. However I think the questions above are simply implications of my comment.
      - 11235813213455 3y ago
        Commenting on internet is not too much luxury when it's an attempt to educate or act for the environment Boiled water is not a luxury is that's the only way to get non-contamined water, but no need to transform it in beer. Electricity, internet, buildings, trucks transporting non-luxurious food are also base products in our cities, many people need it, but some of their usage become luxurious. For example water plastic bottles when not reused, many devices like air conditioners, usage of internet like streaming, oversized houses/apartments, many usages of personal cars are luxuries by definition (not necessary) Talking to emergency or for a practical action is possibly non luxury, if it saves a life or save more polluting ways of communication, but spending hours talking to friends is luxury I'm maybe including "non-sustainability" into luxury, but it's related to necessity, because when you have multiple type of foods, like cereals, vegetable, meat, some are scalable, some are not

by 1905 3y ago

11235813213455 3y ago

meat should be considered luxury, based on its footprint, so higher cost and people should consume much less of it, simple

robocat 3y ago
The limit of that argument is that most everything is a luxury, that life itself is a luxury that should be taken away.
- 11235813213455 3y ago
  Luxury: "something adding to pleasure or comfort but not absolutely necessary" Talking, walking, breathing air, drinking water, eating cereal or local vegetables are not luxuries Talking to friends over phone, taking your car to gym to then run on a treadmill, drinking anything but water, smoking, eating meat/fish/dairy products/processed food are luxuries
  - robocat 3y ago
    Your comment implies very deep inconsistency: your examples have no pattern that others outside of your circle might agree upon. Why should your personal "definition" of luxury be a golden standard for all? Cereal is an internationally traded commodity - the polar opposite of local produce. Local produce is often an expensive luxury in my experience. Even in my hippy experiences I don't think I've ever met someone who has grown their own oats. You define talking to friends over phone as a luxury - why? Is having time and opportunity to talk to friends in person a luxury? Are food standards a luxury? Is potable tap water a luxury? Historically beer was a means of providing safe drinking water. Was it a luxury when used for that purpose? Is commenting on an internet forum using your mobile phone a luxury? I am probably being provocative. However I think the questions above are simply implications of my comment.
    - 11235813213455 3y ago
      Commenting on internet is not too much luxury when it's an attempt to educate or act for the environment Boiled water is not a luxury is that's the only way to get non-contamined water, but no need to transform it in beer. Electricity, internet, buildings, trucks transporting non-luxurious food are also base products in our cities, many people need it, but some of their usage become luxurious. For example water plastic bottles when not reused, many devices like air conditioners, usage of internet like streaming, oversized houses/apartments, many usages of personal cars are luxuries by definition (not necessary) Talking to emergency or for a practical action is possibly non luxury, if it saves a life or save more polluting ways of communication, but spending hours talking to friends is luxury I'm maybe including "non-sustainability" into luxury, but it's related to necessity, because when you have multiple type of foods, like cereals, vegetable, meat, some are scalable, some are not