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This is why you follow cabin crew instructions and DO NOT CARRY YOUR LUGGAGE out of the aircraft in an emergency. Your luggage is not worth more than a fellow

This is why you follow cabin crew instructions and DO NOT CARRY YOUR LUGGAGE out of the aircraft in an emergency. Your luggage is not worth more than a fellow passengers life. Contrast this with evacuation footage of western passenger planes..

rgrieselhuber 3y ago
Indeed. It’s a good idea to keep your passport and some small USB drives (password database, Linux image for installation on a new laptop, etc.) on your person instead of in your luggage when you fly.
- hn_throwaway_69 3y ago
  >password database, Linux image for installation on a new laptop Heh. Imagine surviving a plane crash. Everyone is busy calling their loved ones, and I'm busy setting up my new Linux distribution on a laptop bought in duty free, using the Linux image in my pocket.
  - chilmers 3y ago
    After six hours trying to get the touchpad working you're wishing you'd died in the crash.
aaron695 3y ago
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nytesky 3y ago
Members of my family require medication (epipen, some various pills), and I keep that along with a flashlight (in case I need to administer in pitch black) in a small haversack. I would probably try to take that with me, as I would hate to survive the crash but then have a fatal medical event in the aftermath and not have the tools. I do feel conflicted since the no luggage mantra has been drilled in for decades.
- phkahler 3y ago
  >> I would probably try to take that with me, as I would hate to survive the crash but then have a fatal medical event in the aftermath and not have the tools. But you might just die in the fire yourself, prioritizing a hypothetical emergency over a real one. There would also be plenty of medical personnel present once you get off the plane, they probably won't let you leave the scene without talking to one.
  - anigbrowl 3y ago
    It's fine to take something small you can carry in one hand/keep with you through the whole flight without it being a problem. It's the luggage in the overhead baggage compartments that needs to be abandoned.
  - ajross 3y ago
    > But you might just die in the fire yourself, prioritizing a hypothetical emergency over a real one The Two Failure Fallacy is a fatal flaw of human reasoning. It's almost never correct to engineer anything on the assumption of two bad things happening simultaneously. You do your analysis based on individual/uncorrelated failure modes. And only then do you make design choices (c.f. "defense in depth", "redundancy", etc...) about how much the interactions overlap and what the tradeoffs are. In this case, duh. Positing that emergency medical personnel are somehow unable to handle an allergy attack is silly.
    - nytesky 3y ago
      Well my problem is the conditions of an airline crash (the smoke, extreme heat, etc) are triggers for our disease. It’s not a simple as a peanut allergy where you just avoid eating a certain food. I’m not convinced that medical personnel would be on hand that quickly for all emergency landings — sure if you are at a major airport. But they may not notice someone who collapsed after being triaged away from the more severely injured.
    - whatshisface 3y ago
      If you're in the market for a real HN style reply, actually, almost every aviation disaster involves two or more things happening the wrong way simultaneously. Usually more than five.
phkahler 3y ago
>> Your luggage is not worth more than a fellow passengers life. I was going to say a major narcissist would disagree, but they probably don't have many of those in Japan. And then you followed up: >> Contrast this with evacuation footage of western passenger planes.. Is that for real? It would not surprise me, but is there documentation of this difference in deplaning? Or other areas?
- steveBK123 3y ago
  Yes https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/red-plane-crash-bags-luggage-b2110131.html https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/red-pla... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10055329/Spirit-Airlines-jet-engine-erupts-flames-deploys-evacuation-slides-Atlantic-City-airport.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10055329/Spirit-Air... https://nypost.com/2023/03/09/plane-passengers-slammed-for-grabbing-selfies-during-evacuation-incredibly-stupid/ https://nypost.com/2023/03/09/plane-passengers-slammed-for-g...
jtbayly 3y ago
Ok, I watched a video somebody else linked. People don't act at all the same after getting crashed into by another plane, barely making it to the ground in a plane filled with smoke and fire, as they do when those things haven't happened? You don't say. Would you say it's a good idea to throw yourself tumbling down the emergency slide and sprint away from the plane if those things hadn't happened? This is not even a remotely helpful comment.
SoftTalker 3y ago
I like to think that in a real emergency (crash landing, fire visible outside, smoke entering the cabin) survival instinct will kick in and people will just GTFO without worrying about luggage. The videos I've seen of people evacuating with luggage seem a little less serious. That said, an evacuation is always serious. People often do get hurt coming down those slides so the crew only order an evacuation if they think it outweighs the risk of staying put and waiting for help.
- steveBK123 3y ago
  I'd like to think so but there have been plenty of US incidents of people evacuating for an engine on fire with baggage in tow. If you are evacuating out the door on a slide, something is quite serious. The trained professionals telling you to leave your baggage behind have more information than passengers in that regard. That is why they decided to deploy the slides. Just because one can't see a fire doesn't mean there isn't an engine fire on the other side, or a fuel leak or.. etc. Planes are pretty big, you can't see/smell everything from your seat/window. I mean here's some right here of smoking planes with evacuees hauling even wheelies.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10055329/Spirit-Airlines-jet-engine-erupts-flames-deploys-evacuation-slides-Atlantic-City-airport.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10055329/Spirit-Air... https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/red-plane-crash-bags-luggage-b2110131.html https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/red-pla...
- lxgr 3y ago
  > in a real emergency (crash landing, fire visible outside, smoke entering the cabin) survival instinct will kick in and people will just GTFO without worrying about luggage Unfortunately, that's not always the case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_1492#Evacuation_with_luggage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_1492#Evacuatio...
  - thegrim33 3y ago
    Ok? What you linked to, which is a single paragraph, does not provide any proof for your claim. It says there was some speculation that people retrieving luggage caused delay, but state media and law enforcement are on record as saying there's no evidence that it had any effect, as well as there being a witness saying it had no effect.
spinach 3y ago
From what info are you assuming that no one did? A middle school boy who was on the plane said "荷物を取り出そうという人もいた"[0], "there were also people who tried to get their luggage". [0] https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20240102/k10014307191000.html https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20240102/k10014307191000.ht...

rgrieselhuber 3y ago

Indeed. It’s a good idea to keep your passport and some small USB drives (password database, Linux image for installation on a new laptop, etc.) on your person instead of in your luggage when you fly.

hn_throwaway_69 3y ago
>password database, Linux image for installation on a new laptop Heh. Imagine surviving a plane crash. Everyone is busy calling their loved ones, and I'm busy setting up my new Linux distribution on a laptop bought in duty free, using the Linux image in my pocket.
- chilmers 3y ago
  After six hours trying to get the touchpad working you're wishing you'd died in the crash.

aaron695 3y ago

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nytesky 3y ago

Members of my family require medication (epipen, some various pills), and I keep that along with a flashlight (in case I need to administer in pitch black) in a small haversack. I would probably try to take that with me, as I would hate to survive the crash but then have a fatal medical event in the aftermath and not have the tools. I do feel conflicted since the no luggage mantra has been drilled in for decades.

phkahler 3y ago
>> I would probably try to take that with me, as I would hate to survive the crash but then have a fatal medical event in the aftermath and not have the tools. But you might just die in the fire yourself, prioritizing a hypothetical emergency over a real one. There would also be plenty of medical personnel present once you get off the plane, they probably won't let you leave the scene without talking to one.
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  It's fine to take something small you can carry in one hand/keep with you through the whole flight without it being a problem. It's the luggage in the overhead baggage compartments that needs to be abandoned.
- ajross 3y ago
  > But you might just die in the fire yourself, prioritizing a hypothetical emergency over a real one The Two Failure Fallacy is a fatal flaw of human reasoning. It's almost never correct to engineer anything on the assumption of two bad things happening simultaneously. You do your analysis based on individual/uncorrelated failure modes. And only then do you make design choices (c.f. "defense in depth", "redundancy", etc...) about how much the interactions overlap and what the tradeoffs are. In this case, duh. Positing that emergency medical personnel are somehow unable to handle an allergy attack is silly.
  - nytesky 3y ago
    Well my problem is the conditions of an airline crash (the smoke, extreme heat, etc) are triggers for our disease. It’s not a simple as a peanut allergy where you just avoid eating a certain food. I’m not convinced that medical personnel would be on hand that quickly for all emergency landings — sure if you are at a major airport. But they may not notice someone who collapsed after being triaged away from the more severely injured.
  - whatshisface 3y ago
    If you're in the market for a real HN style reply, actually, almost every aviation disaster involves two or more things happening the wrong way simultaneously. Usually more than five.

phkahler 3y ago

>> Your luggage is not worth more than a fellow passengers life. I was going to say a major narcissist would disagree, but they probably don't have many of those in Japan. And then you followed up: >> Contrast this with evacuation footage of western passenger planes.. Is that for real? It would not surprise me, but is there documentation of this difference in deplaning? Or other areas?

steveBK123 3y ago
Yes https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/red-plane-crash-bags-luggage-b2110131.html https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/red-pla... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10055329/Spirit-Airlines-jet-engine-erupts-flames-deploys-evacuation-slides-Atlantic-City-airport.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10055329/Spirit-Air... https://nypost.com/2023/03/09/plane-passengers-slammed-for-grabbing-selfies-during-evacuation-incredibly-stupid/ https://nypost.com/2023/03/09/plane-passengers-slammed-for-g...

jtbayly 3y ago

Ok, I watched a video somebody else linked. People don't act at all the same after getting crashed into by another plane, barely making it to the ground in a plane filled with smoke and fire, as they do when those things haven't happened? You don't say. Would you say it's a good idea to throw yourself tumbling down the emergency slide and sprint away from the plane if those things hadn't happened? This is not even a remotely helpful comment.

SoftTalker 3y ago

I like to think that in a real emergency (crash landing, fire visible outside, smoke entering the cabin) survival instinct will kick in and people will just GTFO without worrying about luggage. The videos I've seen of people evacuating with luggage seem a little less serious. That said, an evacuation is always serious. People often do get hurt coming down those slides so the crew only order an evacuation if they think it outweighs the risk of staying put and waiting for help.

steveBK123 3y ago
I'd like to think so but there have been plenty of US incidents of people evacuating for an engine on fire with baggage in tow. If you are evacuating out the door on a slide, something is quite serious. The trained professionals telling you to leave your baggage behind have more information than passengers in that regard. That is why they decided to deploy the slides. Just because one can't see a fire doesn't mean there isn't an engine fire on the other side, or a fuel leak or.. etc. Planes are pretty big, you can't see/smell everything from your seat/window. I mean here's some right here of smoking planes with evacuees hauling even wheelies.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10055329/Spirit-Airlines-jet-engine-erupts-flames-deploys-evacuation-slides-Atlantic-City-airport.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10055329/Spirit-Air... https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/red-plane-crash-bags-luggage-b2110131.html https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/red-pla...
lxgr 3y ago
> in a real emergency (crash landing, fire visible outside, smoke entering the cabin) survival instinct will kick in and people will just GTFO without worrying about luggage Unfortunately, that's not always the case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_1492#Evacuation_with_luggage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_1492#Evacuatio...
- thegrim33 3y ago
  Ok? What you linked to, which is a single paragraph, does not provide any proof for your claim. It says there was some speculation that people retrieving luggage caused delay, but state media and law enforcement are on record as saying there's no evidence that it had any effect, as well as there being a witness saying it had no effect.

spinach 3y ago

From what info are you assuming that no one did? A middle school boy who was on the plane said "荷物を取り出そうという人もいた"[0], "there were also people who tried to get their luggage". [0] https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20240102/k10014307191000.html https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20240102/k10014307191000.ht...