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This never should have happened, and mark my words we’re going to see the same type of accident in the US if we don’t radically rework ATC.

Dalewyn 3y ago
It's still unknown if the cause was ATC mishandling the situation, we'll have to see how what the investigation finds.
epolanski 3y ago
You're implying this is ATC rather than human-error related.
- TangoFox 3y ago
  To anyone else jumping to conclusions: First, please do not jump to conclusions. Secondly, this incident was in Japan, not the US. Feelings about US ATC should not be a factor in this situation. Third, wasn't there a recent runway collision (wing clipped a tail) in the US where the pilot was quick to blame ATC on the radio, but it turns out that pilot entered the runway without permission? (initial conclusions are often wrong) Disclaimer: I am a US ATC - The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily those of FAA.
  - king_magic 3y ago
    Just to be clear I’m not calling out ATC specifically, as in the people who are controllers. Rather, the entire system of air traffic control. It seems to me if we end up in a situation where a pilot does something wrong in a sensitive area that can lead to a catastrophic outcome, we didn’t do a good job of controlling air traffic. Full stop. The system is amazingly safe but clearly there are pockets of very poor control/decision making around runway incursions or near misses around the runway.
mym1990 3y ago
I feel like 'radically' reworking anything is a great first step in increasing errors while the new processes get ingrained. There needs to a measured and meticulous approach to reworking ATC if it is to happen.
- king_magic 3y ago
  I’d consider significantly raising controller wages and improving working conditions to be a fairly radical proposal in at least the US’s current political climate.
  - rootusrootus 3y ago
    The average controller makes 120K as it is. That may not be a lot for people in the software world accustomed to making big bucks, but it's not terrible -- close to 90th percentile.
local_crmdgeon 3y ago
We don't need to radically rework ATC, we need to fully staff ATC. FAA has this as a top priority and is publishing stats on class graduations and retention etc.

Dalewyn 3y ago

It's still unknown if the cause was ATC mishandling the situation, we'll have to see how what the investigation finds.

epolanski 3y ago

You're implying this is ATC rather than human-error related.

TangoFox 3y ago
To anyone else jumping to conclusions: First, please do not jump to conclusions. Secondly, this incident was in Japan, not the US. Feelings about US ATC should not be a factor in this situation. Third, wasn't there a recent runway collision (wing clipped a tail) in the US where the pilot was quick to blame ATC on the radio, but it turns out that pilot entered the runway without permission? (initial conclusions are often wrong) Disclaimer: I am a US ATC - The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily those of FAA.
- king_magic 3y ago
  Just to be clear I’m not calling out ATC specifically, as in the people who are controllers. Rather, the entire system of air traffic control. It seems to me if we end up in a situation where a pilot does something wrong in a sensitive area that can lead to a catastrophic outcome, we didn’t do a good job of controlling air traffic. Full stop. The system is amazingly safe but clearly there are pockets of very poor control/decision making around runway incursions or near misses around the runway.

mym1990 3y ago

I feel like 'radically' reworking anything is a great first step in increasing errors while the new processes get ingrained. There needs to a measured and meticulous approach to reworking ATC if it is to happen.

king_magic 3y ago
I’d consider significantly raising controller wages and improving working conditions to be a fairly radical proposal in at least the US’s current political climate.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  The average controller makes 120K as it is. That may not be a lot for people in the software world accustomed to making big bucks, but it's not terrible -- close to 90th percentile.

local_crmdgeon 3y ago

We don't need to radically rework ATC, we need to fully staff ATC. FAA has this as a top priority and is publishing stats on class graduations and retention etc.