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Absolutely. In no way his video about Dorico was trashing. He did raise seemingly valid criticism in an entertaining way (to each their own about that last part

by jraph 3y ago

Absolutely. In no way his video about Dorico was trashing. He did raise seemingly valid criticism in an entertaining way (to each their own about that last part). I don't quite get the hatred Tantacrul is getting here. About taking UI/UX idea from other products: I don't know if he actually did, but this constantly happens and this is not stealing. If nobody did, each program would come with its own UX and it would be a nightmare.

TylerE 3y ago
When you go grow a multicolor tab bar, and just happen to use a near identical colors to your compeitors. I'm not even talking true UI... just cloing look and feel wholesale with the serial numbers filed off...
- jraph 3y ago
  Which tab bar? I don't see anything particularly colored on my copy of MuseScore 4.2 (openSUSE Tumbleweed, KDE). There's a tab bar at the top (Home, Score, Publish) and it seems to follow the system colors. If both Dorico and MuseScore do this, they will end up with the same colors. More specifically, apparently they are both based on Qt [1], so of course they will look a bit similar if they use the standard widgets. Looking at screenshots of Dorico, I don't see any outstanding, shocking resemblance with MuseScore. Both tools have their visual identity. Is it a personal opinion you have on this? Has someone written something on it this I could check out? Anyway, I don't have much against clones. Which MuseScore and Dorico aren't. [1] https://blog.dorico.com/2022/01/the-story-of-dorico-4s-development/ https://blog.dorico.com/2022/01/the-story-of-dorico-4s-devel...
  - TylerE 3y ago
    Look at older versions of Musecore. They had a wildly different UI (no tab bar, etc). The release after he joins, the UI totally changes.
    - jraph 3y ago
      Of course. The UI was revamped indeed, that's the whole point when you hire a UI designer because they criticized your UI and you think they are right. I noticed since I have been using MuseScore for some time and definitely before MuseScore 4 and also since I saw his videos about it. You did not answer my questions "Is it a personal opinion you have on this? Has someone written something on it this I could check out?". I'll consider the answers to be "Yes" and "No" (respectively) until proven otherwise, and therefore consider that nothing was ripped off until I run into strong evidence of the contrary, on the basis of the Sagan Standard ("extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence") [1]. You already claimed that Tantacrul trashed Dorico, which I disagree with, so I'm already not very inclined to follow you without strong reasons. I'll gladly believe that some changes may have been inspired by Sibelius, Finale and Dorico since Tantacrul have scrutinized them, or have used them extensively. Anything more ("questionable ethics", "ripping off") will require some backing. Until then, I'll just consider that you just don't like Tantacrul (or MuseScore, or the Muse) for some reason. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagan_standard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagan_standard
      - TylerE 3y ago
        Yes, that reason being that he seems to be two-faced, and caring only about clicks. I don't think that's a unreasonable reason to dislike sometone.

by jraph 3y ago

TylerE 3y ago

When you go grow a multicolor tab bar, and just happen to use a near identical colors to your compeitors. I'm not even talking true UI... just cloing look and feel wholesale with the serial numbers filed off...

jraph 3y ago
Which tab bar? I don't see anything particularly colored on my copy of MuseScore 4.2 (openSUSE Tumbleweed, KDE). There's a tab bar at the top (Home, Score, Publish) and it seems to follow the system colors. If both Dorico and MuseScore do this, they will end up with the same colors. More specifically, apparently they are both based on Qt [1], so of course they will look a bit similar if they use the standard widgets. Looking at screenshots of Dorico, I don't see any outstanding, shocking resemblance with MuseScore. Both tools have their visual identity. Is it a personal opinion you have on this? Has someone written something on it this I could check out? Anyway, I don't have much against clones. Which MuseScore and Dorico aren't. [1] https://blog.dorico.com/2022/01/the-story-of-dorico-4s-development/ https://blog.dorico.com/2022/01/the-story-of-dorico-4s-devel...
- TylerE 3y ago
  Look at older versions of Musecore. They had a wildly different UI (no tab bar, etc). The release after he joins, the UI totally changes.
  - jraph 3y ago
    Of course. The UI was revamped indeed, that's the whole point when you hire a UI designer because they criticized your UI and you think they are right. I noticed since I have been using MuseScore for some time and definitely before MuseScore 4 and also since I saw his videos about it. You did not answer my questions "Is it a personal opinion you have on this? Has someone written something on it this I could check out?". I'll consider the answers to be "Yes" and "No" (respectively) until proven otherwise, and therefore consider that nothing was ripped off until I run into strong evidence of the contrary, on the basis of the Sagan Standard ("extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence") [1]. You already claimed that Tantacrul trashed Dorico, which I disagree with, so I'm already not very inclined to follow you without strong reasons. I'll gladly believe that some changes may have been inspired by Sibelius, Finale and Dorico since Tantacrul have scrutinized them, or have used them extensively. Anything more ("questionable ethics", "ripping off") will require some backing. Until then, I'll just consider that you just don't like Tantacrul (or MuseScore, or the Muse) for some reason. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagan_standard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagan_standard
    - TylerE 3y ago
      Yes, that reason being that he seems to be two-faced, and caring only about clicks. I don't think that's a unreasonable reason to dislike sometone.