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Sorry what does that mean? There are many people creating content and software for commercial use cases with these cards and I've never seen a EULA anywhere pre

Sorry what does that mean? There are many people creating content and software for commercial use cases with these cards and I've never seen a EULA anywhere preventing this.

michaelt 3y ago
YetAnotherNick is probably referring to the geforce eula [1] which says: "Customer may not [...] provide commercial hosting services with the SOFTWARE. [...] The SOFTWARE is not licensed for datacenter deployment, except that blockchain processing in a datacenter is permitted." So if you were e.g. an ad agency artist using a 4090 at your desk to generate images for commercial use - that's fine, because it's not in a datacenter, and the commercial services you're providing with it aren't hosting. I've never heard of nvidia taking any enforcement action, or defining precisely when an office becomes a datacenter - I suspect this is mostly to ensure the big cloud providers don't offer 4090s. [1] https://www.nvidia.com/en-in/drivers/geforce-license/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-in/drivers/geforce-license/
- lreeves 3y ago
  Yeah I'm aware of that but that's pretty distinct from "cannot legally be used for commercial usecase".
  - YetAnotherNick 3y ago
    I can't edit my comment now, but by commercial I meant "using 4090 for commercial purpose" that is renting, not not being allowed to create commercial content using the card. Reading my comment again, obviously it wrong and I should have been more careful with the wording.
- paulmd 3y ago
  This limitation doesn’t really apply anymore with the open kernel driver. They can’t stop you from using a GPL-licensed driver in a datacenter or any other way you want.
- edgyquant 3y ago
  Why/how is this even legal?
- ex3ndr 3y ago
  Wait, they explicitly allowed to use cards for blockchain and prohibited for anything else?
- muttled 3y ago
  I wonder if places like RunPod have a special agreement with NVidia, there's some way they're working around this (not installing the drivers?), or if they're just flagrantly offering it as they offer several consumer card options in what's presumably a datacenter environment.

Sorry what does that mean? There are many people creating content and software for commercial use cases with these cards and I've never seen a EULA anywhere preventing this.

michaelt 3y ago

YetAnotherNick is probably referring to the geforce eula [1] which says: "Customer may not [...] provide commercial hosting services with the SOFTWARE. [...] The SOFTWARE is not licensed for datacenter deployment, except that blockchain processing in a datacenter is permitted." So if you were e.g. an ad agency artist using a 4090 at your desk to generate images for commercial use - that's fine, because it's not in a datacenter, and the commercial services you're providing with it aren't hosting. I've never heard of nvidia taking any enforcement action, or defining precisely when an office becomes a datacenter - I suspect this is mostly to ensure the big cloud providers don't offer 4090s. [1] https://www.nvidia.com/en-in/drivers/geforce-license/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-in/drivers/geforce-license/

lreeves 3y ago
Yeah I'm aware of that but that's pretty distinct from "cannot legally be used for commercial usecase".
- YetAnotherNick 3y ago
  I can't edit my comment now, but by commercial I meant "using 4090 for commercial purpose" that is renting, not not being allowed to create commercial content using the card. Reading my comment again, obviously it wrong and I should have been more careful with the wording.
paulmd 3y ago
This limitation doesn’t really apply anymore with the open kernel driver. They can’t stop you from using a GPL-licensed driver in a datacenter or any other way you want.
edgyquant 3y ago
Why/how is this even legal?
ex3ndr 3y ago
Wait, they explicitly allowed to use cards for blockchain and prohibited for anything else?
muttled 3y ago
I wonder if places like RunPod have a special agreement with NVidia, there's some way they're working around this (not installing the drivers?), or if they're just flagrantly offering it as they offer several consumer card options in what's presumably a datacenter environment.