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I agree with all of that and my point still stands. Older people, for which frailty and maintenance of lean muscle mass are real concerns, tend to get suboptima

by kuhewa 3y ago

I agree with all of that and my point still stands. Older people, for which frailty and maintenance of lean muscle mass are real concerns, tend to get suboptimal protein, and they aren't supplementing with whey en masse. Bodybuilders aren't eating low numbers of calories so they as a model are kind of a moot point for this topic There is also a limit to the rate at which you can assimilate amino acids which is why all things being equal spacing out the protein throughout the day is more optimal.

piva00 3y ago
I was specifically replying to someone saying they can't skip breakfast because they want to build muscles. I have not generalised to frail old people or any other case that wasn't the original comment's intent, for that comment my point still stands: there's no need for breakfast if you are managing your macros during the day. I understand your point but it feels to me a little bit of soapboxing. Being more optimal only really matters at a very high level of athleticism goals, if one is at the point where they need to optimise their protein intake windows they'd already know about it given that reaching such high level requires a lot of nutrition knowledge. I'm stating this because there's a tendency on Hacker News comments to overoptimise everything. Yes, there are optimal ways that can give an edge for people requiring that edge but most people here are just normal people who shouldn't at all be caring about that, the tendency to min-maxing will just become an obstacle.
- kuhewa 3y ago
  > Being more optimal only really matters at a very high level of athleticism goals, if one is at the point where they need to optimise their protein intake windows they'd already know about it given that reaching such high level requires a lot of nutrition knowledge. It's not just about anabolic window timing though. In fact, my point in using the word optimal is about the opposite of how you are approaching it above. For the majority of HN audience that fall outside of the switched-on bodybuilder/diet planning over-optimiser type, a restrictive TRF window simply makes it more difficult to get all the protein that one could benefit from. I'm not talking about optimising to the point of diminishing returns; the simple heuristic "don't skip breakfast but have one with protein" can have a significant benefit to the dietary macronutrient composition for many people with no other effort. Because even if they know two scoops of whey after or eating a second chicken breast for dinner might be a good idea, it doesn't always happen because there are more hedonic choices.

by kuhewa 3y ago

piva00 3y ago

I was specifically replying to someone saying they can't skip breakfast because they want to build muscles. I have not generalised to frail old people or any other case that wasn't the original comment's intent, for that comment my point still stands: there's no need for breakfast if you are managing your macros during the day. I understand your point but it feels to me a little bit of soapboxing. Being more optimal only really matters at a very high level of athleticism goals, if one is at the point where they need to optimise their protein intake windows they'd already know about it given that reaching such high level requires a lot of nutrition knowledge. I'm stating this because there's a tendency on Hacker News comments to overoptimise everything. Yes, there are optimal ways that can give an edge for people requiring that edge but most people here are just normal people who shouldn't at all be caring about that, the tendency to min-maxing will just become an obstacle.

kuhewa 3y ago
> Being more optimal only really matters at a very high level of athleticism goals, if one is at the point where they need to optimise their protein intake windows they'd already know about it given that reaching such high level requires a lot of nutrition knowledge. It's not just about anabolic window timing though. In fact, my point in using the word optimal is about the opposite of how you are approaching it above. For the majority of HN audience that fall outside of the switched-on bodybuilder/diet planning over-optimiser type, a restrictive TRF window simply makes it more difficult to get all the protein that one could benefit from. I'm not talking about optimising to the point of diminishing returns; the simple heuristic "don't skip breakfast but have one with protein" can have a significant benefit to the dietary macronutrient composition for many people with no other effort. Because even if they know two scoops of whey after or eating a second chicken breast for dinner might be a good idea, it doesn't always happen because there are more hedonic choices.