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Yes, but back then the other option was Internet Explorer and literally anything else was better than it. Right now MS is playing the browser game again. And i

Yes, but back then the other option was Internet Explorer and literally anything else was better than it. Right now MS is playing the browser game again. And it is beyond me why it thinks people want to use Bing for search. Sometimes I have this impression that Microsoft has some collective amnesia where they think they’re in the 90s-00s again where they dominanted the market with their tactics. Quite curious why it hasn’t been sued yet by the DOJ.

petre 3y ago
Google is bad enough these days that Bing could be seen as an "improvement". M$ might have a shot to make it even better by integrating OpenAI features and not involving their marketing division too much. Of course, their objective is not to create great software but to monopolize whole sectors and extract value = techno feudalism.
jve 3y ago
Bing assistant which is maybe GPT3.5 comes out handy when searching for something. That was the time I started using Bing and it ain't bad.
- lodovic 3y ago
  Bing chat is GPT4 and, in my experience, provides better results than any search engine. I haven't been using search engines at all since they rolled that out. I can just ask GPT and I get a neutral answer without visible ads, sponsorlinks or SEO.
Jenk 3y ago
> Quite curious why it hasn’t been sued yet by the DOJ. A single corporation owns the proprietary OS running what must be upwards of 80% of the world's corporate and government workstations that is known to be laden with copious amounts of telemetry and privacy invading logging is probably quite an attractive partner to the various TLOs of the US government. I read some fan-fic conspiracy theory that MS is actually a facade for an intelligence agency a couple of decades ago. Getting less and less certain about the weight of "theory" these days.
- toyg 3y ago
  You should read up on Eric Schmidt then. Google's partnership with US authorities is not even a conspiracy theory. All US corporations are effectively compelled to collaborate with US authorities at any given time. There is some pretend/acting going on for the benefit of paying consumers (like Apple resisting unlocking phones for smalltime cops, while likely passing iCloud data to the big boys), but that's it.
  - Jenk 3y ago
    Hey I didn't say Google were any better. I am also posting these remarks with a tongue in cheek. I am sure they (any) do liaise with government agencies when requested but not that they are primarily intel branches with a retail mask.
mkl 3y ago
> And it is beyond me why it thinks people want to use Bing for search. It's not about what people want, it's about the ads they can be shown.

petre 3y ago

Google is bad enough these days that Bing could be seen as an "improvement". M$ might have a shot to make it even better by integrating OpenAI features and not involving their marketing division too much. Of course, their objective is not to create great software but to monopolize whole sectors and extract value = techno feudalism.

jve 3y ago

Bing assistant which is maybe GPT3.5 comes out handy when searching for something. That was the time I started using Bing and it ain't bad.

lodovic 3y ago
Bing chat is GPT4 and, in my experience, provides better results than any search engine. I haven't been using search engines at all since they rolled that out. I can just ask GPT and I get a neutral answer without visible ads, sponsorlinks or SEO.

Jenk 3y ago

> Quite curious why it hasn’t been sued yet by the DOJ. A single corporation owns the proprietary OS running what must be upwards of 80% of the world's corporate and government workstations that is known to be laden with copious amounts of telemetry and privacy invading logging is probably quite an attractive partner to the various TLOs of the US government. I read some fan-fic conspiracy theory that MS is actually a facade for an intelligence agency a couple of decades ago. Getting less and less certain about the weight of "theory" these days.

toyg 3y ago
You should read up on Eric Schmidt then. Google's partnership with US authorities is not even a conspiracy theory. All US corporations are effectively compelled to collaborate with US authorities at any given time. There is some pretend/acting going on for the benefit of paying consumers (like Apple resisting unlocking phones for smalltime cops, while likely passing iCloud data to the big boys), but that's it.
- Jenk 3y ago
  Hey I didn't say Google were any better. I am also posting these remarks with a tongue in cheek. I am sure they (any) do liaise with government agencies when requested but not that they are primarily intel branches with a retail mask.

mkl 3y ago

> And it is beyond me why it thinks people want to use Bing for search. It's not about what people want, it's about the ads they can be shown.