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> Microsoft Edge wants you to do things its way Should be > Microsoft wants you to do things its way It thinks it owns your data, owns any interactions with

> Microsoft Edge wants you to do things its way Should be > Microsoft wants you to do things its way It thinks it owns your data, owns any interactions with you, like all corporations do. This is all supported legally. Once it has an online only OS, this will be obvious. It's a choice to go along with this nonsense, isn't it?

Angostura 3y ago
> It thinks it owns your data, owns any interactions with you, like all corporations do. Mozilla is a corporation. Do you hold the same opinion of Firefox?
- the_third_wave 3y ago
  Of Mitchell Baker's Mozilla, Inc. the answer is probably "yes" in some way even if that corporation seems to be more bent on manipulating your political opinion than the contents of your wallet. Of the Firefox browser project the answer is "no" notwithstanding some controversial choices related to the way self-hosted Firefox sync has been deprecated and the shenanigans around Pocket integration.
- verisimi 3y ago
  Yes. Do you think it wouldn't/doesn't hand over your data, if requested to do so by, say, a secret court? I use ff btw.
fifteen1506 3y ago
Yes, but until it actively blocks people's typical day, it will be low on people's priority list. Those of us that, for whatever reason, see it coming, should keep calm and steady and keep ocasionnaly presenting our view in a non-confrontational way, and support groups or legislative efforts which may be allies. If you, like me, don't have the mental bandwidth for all of that, just try to keep frustration to a low when possible and keep rowing for the good side.
- verisimi 3y ago
  > Those of us that, for whatever reason, see it coming, should keep calm and steady and keep ocasionnaly presenting our view in a non-confrontational way Yes. > and support groups or legislative efforts which may be allies. No. Legislative bodies are part of the problem. Most groups too . The governance structure is fascistic already - it is government and corporations working together. The tanker cannot be redirected, it's not a case of voting someone else in. If that's negative, sorry, but don't blame me. I'd rather deal with reality than a false hope. The deeper answer for me, lies with each individual. Each of us gets to choose.
  - fifteen1506 3y ago
    I see your point. I counter with: Societies abhor power vacuums. Someone will fill that niche. So, increased accountability is what's needed. More good newspapers/magazines with good research/investigation. More literacy. More time to do those things. More money to support good work.
    - verisimi 3y ago
      I see the vacuum issue with societies. But this talks to the heart of the issue - who has authority over the individual? Is a social structure (laws, convention, the understood history provided by that society, religion etc) superior to an individual and their lived experience? Can we say it is right for society to forcibly extract wealth and resources from those it purports to govern, for the greater good? Or is all that self-serving nonsense, to justify slavery? And then you might wonder what the purpose of this experience is for oneself. Is it to accommodate oneself to power in the best way one can, accepting it as inevitable, thereby tacitly consenting to the system we find? Or do we even embrace the system, to get all the goodies we can? Or does one grasp at something more intangible such as doing right and being guided by truth and love, trying to recover or even improve one's soul?
      - fifteen1506 3y ago
        You're thinking too much. People crave confort. Be it a god, a church, the state or a feudal lord who promises everything will be alright.
mrjin 3y ago
As long as there is no better alternatives, we don't really have a choice, do we? But I can see all those BS are about to come to an end. To me, Windows have turned into an entertainment system from a production system. Most of the computers I own already run Linux, but I do play games/videos on Windows, once I get rid of those last bits, why would I care what M$ wants?

Angostura 3y ago

> It thinks it owns your data, owns any interactions with you, like all corporations do. Mozilla is a corporation. Do you hold the same opinion of Firefox?

the_third_wave 3y ago
Of Mitchell Baker's Mozilla, Inc. the answer is probably "yes" in some way even if that corporation seems to be more bent on manipulating your political opinion than the contents of your wallet. Of the Firefox browser project the answer is "no" notwithstanding some controversial choices related to the way self-hosted Firefox sync has been deprecated and the shenanigans around Pocket integration.
verisimi 3y ago
Yes. Do you think it wouldn't/doesn't hand over your data, if requested to do so by, say, a secret court? I use ff btw.

fifteen1506 3y ago

Yes, but until it actively blocks people's typical day, it will be low on people's priority list. Those of us that, for whatever reason, see it coming, should keep calm and steady and keep ocasionnaly presenting our view in a non-confrontational way, and support groups or legislative efforts which may be allies. If you, like me, don't have the mental bandwidth for all of that, just try to keep frustration to a low when possible and keep rowing for the good side.

verisimi 3y ago
> Those of us that, for whatever reason, see it coming, should keep calm and steady and keep ocasionnaly presenting our view in a non-confrontational way Yes. > and support groups or legislative efforts which may be allies. No. Legislative bodies are part of the problem. Most groups too . The governance structure is fascistic already - it is government and corporations working together. The tanker cannot be redirected, it's not a case of voting someone else in. If that's negative, sorry, but don't blame me. I'd rather deal with reality than a false hope. The deeper answer for me, lies with each individual. Each of us gets to choose.
- fifteen1506 3y ago
  I see your point. I counter with: Societies abhor power vacuums. Someone will fill that niche. So, increased accountability is what's needed. More good newspapers/magazines with good research/investigation. More literacy. More time to do those things. More money to support good work.
  - verisimi 3y ago
    I see the vacuum issue with societies. But this talks to the heart of the issue - who has authority over the individual? Is a social structure (laws, convention, the understood history provided by that society, religion etc) superior to an individual and their lived experience? Can we say it is right for society to forcibly extract wealth and resources from those it purports to govern, for the greater good? Or is all that self-serving nonsense, to justify slavery? And then you might wonder what the purpose of this experience is for oneself. Is it to accommodate oneself to power in the best way one can, accepting it as inevitable, thereby tacitly consenting to the system we find? Or do we even embrace the system, to get all the goodies we can? Or does one grasp at something more intangible such as doing right and being guided by truth and love, trying to recover or even improve one's soul?
    - fifteen1506 3y ago
      You're thinking too much. People crave confort. Be it a god, a church, the state or a feudal lord who promises everything will be alright.

mrjin 3y ago

As long as there is no better alternatives, we don't really have a choice, do we? But I can see all those BS are about to come to an end. To me, Windows have turned into an entertainment system from a production system. Most of the computers I own already run Linux, but I do play games/videos on Windows, once I get rid of those last bits, why would I care what M$ wants?