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Running every day is excellent for your knees. Regular stress is causing things to get stronger. Running every day can be not good for the knees, if you incre

Running every day is excellent for your knees. Regular stress is causing things to get stronger. Running every day can be not good for the knees, if you increase the volume too quickly without giving the joints and tendons necessary time to strengthen up, if you suddenly introduce too much stress (try to sprint when you have never done it before), if you don't sleep well or give time for them to recover, if you have bad diet or if you are sick for some reason and your body has impaired ability to recover.

scotty79 3y ago
My personal observation is that I also need to eat a piece of beef every other day at least because body doesn't have dedicated store for protein and if I forget to deliver it my body seems to take it from places like my joint and tendons.
- onetimeuse92304 3y ago
  You want to eat protein every day to be efficient at building tissue. By eating every other day you cut ability to build stuff. Yes, the body does not have stores of protein other than your other tissue. It can decompose for example muscle and other connective tissue (which actually is quite important to be healthy), but it does limit ability to build tissue. Lesson from bodybuilding crowd is that you need to eat protein with every meal if you are serious about building anything. They want to build muscle but it really extends to all tissues of our body.
  - XorNot 3y ago
    Agreeing with this: please track your protein and check it against your weight. You can eat quite a large excess of protein safely, so it's not a hard quota to hit (and if you're having trouble, protein powder is great as a booster in things - I have it with breakfast cereal to give me a morning kick).
  - scotty79 3y ago
    Good to know. I'm not interested in building anything. Just not losing things that hurt when I lose them. I'm sure I'm getting some protein as well even on the days when I skip the beef. I just noticed that my joints deteriorate if I'm not somewhat intentional about protein.
- danielbln 3y ago
  As a streak runner that is also vegetarian, it doesn't have to be animal protein, or rather it doesn't have to come from muscle tissue/meat.
  - scotty79 3y ago
    Probably depends on the person. Beef made a huge difference for me in comparison to my previous diet which had very little meat in it because I never liked it but plenty of dairy, eggs, lentils, broccoli, beans, potatoes and some fish eaten according to my day to day tastes. I read somewhere that meat could be used in monodiet and after making myself eat beef which turned out to be surprisingly easily digestible and satiating I am inclined to believe it.
  - onetimeuse92304 3y ago
    It doesn't have to be, true, but it is heck of a lot healthier and easier if it is meat. I have nothing against veganism and vegetarianism. It is a lofty goal. But strictly on health standpoint, no amount or kind of plant food can (currently) beat healthy whole animal tissue (you should really eat more than just meat and also not all animals are same way healthy to eat). Now, this doesn't mean there can't be better plant-derived foods in the future. A protein is a protein is a protein. The problem with plant based protein is they come in wrong concentrations, wrong combinations, they are missing some stuff or they have extra things that make protein more difficult to absorb. If we can fix these points, we can have healthy plant based diets. But really the main benefit of meat is that you get close to the right concentrations of everything by very definition. If you eat whole animal, that is. We have evolved to eat meat and only evolved to eat plants to supplement some small things (mainly vitamin C and to eat fructose and alcohol to get fat for the winter). With this, any stupid person can eat relatively healthy diet. You just put a steak in your mouth and you are 80% of the way there. On the other hand eating healthy diet on plants is a difficult task requiring planning and diligence that I think half of the population is simply not equipped with brain power to execute correctly.
    - chimprich 3y ago
      > We have evolved to eat meat We evolved as opportunists and generalists. Humans are capable of taking nutrition from plants or animals. > and only evolved to eat plants to supplement some small things I believe this is backwards. There are examples of hunter-gatherer societies with meat-dominant diets, but more typically hunter-gatherer diets were/are predominantly plant-based. In most environments hunting was a less reliable source of food and more opportunistic. > But really the main benefit of meat is that you get close to the right concentrations of everything by very definition. Not really. Maybe if you were eating chimp... but chickens have very different compositions to cows, pigs, salmon or polar bears. > You just put a steak in your mouth and you are 80% of the way there. It really isn't that simple. For example, it is well established that excessive red meat consumption raises the risk of colorectal cancer and other bad things.
watwut 3y ago
Runners hurt their knees fairly often and lack of rest is one reason for that.
- onetimeuse92304 3y ago
  Obviously, any activity is a chance to hurt yourself. And any regular activity is a chance for overuse injuries. I keep having small injuries here and there. The difference is that I am currently running 70km a week on average (7-10km on most week days, 10-21.1km on Sundays). My leg muscles are hard as rocks and my Achilles tendons are twice as tough as before (based on the increased cross section based on the images I have). It is much harder to evaluate load capacity of my knees (I don't have images to compare) but it is easy to see If I just started running 10k every day (even if I was able to do it aerobically) I would probably blow my knees in less than a month. Additionally, I suffer from torn ACL and before I started running my knee was kinda lose which made even walking a bit difficult (constant popping sounds, pains, etc.) Thanks to running and strength training the stronger muscles and other tendons took the slack off my knee and I pretty much forgot that there is anything wrong with it. I just need to pay attention to not get carried off too much and start doing some stupid shit like playing soccer or basketball which would definitely be a bad idea. As long as my activity has controlled moves like running or hiking in not too difficult terrain, I am fine.
inglor_cz 3y ago
"Regular stress is causing things to get stronger." Is that universally true? Not every system in our body is so anti-fragile. I walk a lot, but whenever I tried running, I had immediate problems with both joints and inflamed muscle. My guess is "too many hard surfaces". We are definitely not naturally adapted to pavements and asphalt.
- onetimeuse92304 3y ago
  Pavement/asphalt is actually pretty good for running beginners because the movements are much better controlled (predictable, stable, flat surface) which reduces sudden moves that can cause injury. But training in an uneven terrain will, over time, strengthen your other muscles and tendons that do not get much workout on pavement. It is important to understand if you want to move to running in uneven terrain you have to reduce your volume initially, pretty considerably, to give time to adjust. As to your problems with inflamed muscles and joints -- I have some experience with this I can share. First is that your aerobic capacity develops much faster than your joints and tendons, especially if you are older. It takes years of regular running to get your joints and tendons to be able to accept daily high mileage running. There is no other way than to start small (say 1-2 miles every other day) and slowly, slowly build it up and react every time you have any problems (by stalling your build up to get time to catch up). Connective tissue reacts best to high, non-repetitive loading. The fastest way to improve your tendons and knees is to start lifting heavy shit. That's why all pro runners are also going to the gym to lift weights. Not because they want to build muscle (you don't want muscle especially in legs because you need to move that mass back and forth) but because it strengthens joints and tendons and makes your legs more resilient to stress. Also, stronger core muscles help maintain good posture throughout long run preventing injuries. Personally, I found walking is an excellent supplement to running. Walking long distances regularly will also strengthen things with less chance for an acute injury. I have even started walking with a loaded backpack (read up on rucking).
aulin 3y ago
Regular stress in muscles maybe, assuming you allow them to recover properly. Repeated stress on support structures damages them. Running every day is terrible for your knees if you don't know how to run properly. Specifically if you overstride and land on your heels.
- danielbln 3y ago
  Yep, good running form is incredibly important. Our legs are rather wonderful springs, directing impact force into the giant muscle that is the glutes (i.e. the butt). The knees (or any other joints) should merely direct the force upwards. Heel striking, over striding, running too fast, too much padding etc. all lead to impact forces going into joints and those really don't like that. I've been running every single day no exceptions for almost 8 years, including marathons and a half marathon at least once a year. Most of my runs are slow, all of them are run with small steps and fore/mid foot strike. Stomping around the track huffing and puffing is not the way to do it, but when done right it is absolutely wonderful for the body.
- gilbetron 3y ago
  Not really, although as usual, it depends. It doesn't seem to hurt bones: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6416492/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6416492/ but it doesn't seem to help much either. There's evidence that running is actually good for your joints, as long as you don't keep running if you have an injury: https://www.nm.org/healthbeat/healthy-tips/fitness/is-running-bad-for-your-knees https://www.nm.org/healthbeat/healthy-tips/fitness/is-runnin... Running properly is part of the way to avoid injury. I had 3 knee surgeries over the years and have arthritis in that knee and actually running with OA seems to be an ok thing to do, which seems to correlate with my experience that my knee pain is less when I run than when I don't. As usual, there's lots of nuance and it depends on the person and the situation!
  - aulin 3y ago
    The poster I was answering to said that repeated stress makes joints stronger. That's false. You can totally run injury free if you use your legs as springs and a natural stride
ekianjo 3y ago
> Running every day is excellent for your knees. Joints are not something you can recover easily once they are damaged.

scotty79 3y ago

My personal observation is that I also need to eat a piece of beef every other day at least because body doesn't have dedicated store for protein and if I forget to deliver it my body seems to take it from places like my joint and tendons.

onetimeuse92304 3y ago
You want to eat protein every day to be efficient at building tissue. By eating every other day you cut ability to build stuff. Yes, the body does not have stores of protein other than your other tissue. It can decompose for example muscle and other connective tissue (which actually is quite important to be healthy), but it does limit ability to build tissue. Lesson from bodybuilding crowd is that you need to eat protein with every meal if you are serious about building anything. They want to build muscle but it really extends to all tissues of our body.
- XorNot 3y ago
  Agreeing with this: please track your protein and check it against your weight. You can eat quite a large excess of protein safely, so it's not a hard quota to hit (and if you're having trouble, protein powder is great as a booster in things - I have it with breakfast cereal to give me a morning kick).
- scotty79 3y ago
  Good to know. I'm not interested in building anything. Just not losing things that hurt when I lose them. I'm sure I'm getting some protein as well even on the days when I skip the beef. I just noticed that my joints deteriorate if I'm not somewhat intentional about protein.
danielbln 3y ago
As a streak runner that is also vegetarian, it doesn't have to be animal protein, or rather it doesn't have to come from muscle tissue/meat.
- scotty79 3y ago
  Probably depends on the person. Beef made a huge difference for me in comparison to my previous diet which had very little meat in it because I never liked it but plenty of dairy, eggs, lentils, broccoli, beans, potatoes and some fish eaten according to my day to day tastes. I read somewhere that meat could be used in monodiet and after making myself eat beef which turned out to be surprisingly easily digestible and satiating I am inclined to believe it.
- onetimeuse92304 3y ago
  It doesn't have to be, true, but it is heck of a lot healthier and easier if it is meat. I have nothing against veganism and vegetarianism. It is a lofty goal. But strictly on health standpoint, no amount or kind of plant food can (currently) beat healthy whole animal tissue (you should really eat more than just meat and also not all animals are same way healthy to eat). Now, this doesn't mean there can't be better plant-derived foods in the future. A protein is a protein is a protein. The problem with plant based protein is they come in wrong concentrations, wrong combinations, they are missing some stuff or they have extra things that make protein more difficult to absorb. If we can fix these points, we can have healthy plant based diets. But really the main benefit of meat is that you get close to the right concentrations of everything by very definition. If you eat whole animal, that is. We have evolved to eat meat and only evolved to eat plants to supplement some small things (mainly vitamin C and to eat fructose and alcohol to get fat for the winter). With this, any stupid person can eat relatively healthy diet. You just put a steak in your mouth and you are 80% of the way there. On the other hand eating healthy diet on plants is a difficult task requiring planning and diligence that I think half of the population is simply not equipped with brain power to execute correctly.
  - chimprich 3y ago
    > We have evolved to eat meat We evolved as opportunists and generalists. Humans are capable of taking nutrition from plants or animals. > and only evolved to eat plants to supplement some small things I believe this is backwards. There are examples of hunter-gatherer societies with meat-dominant diets, but more typically hunter-gatherer diets were/are predominantly plant-based. In most environments hunting was a less reliable source of food and more opportunistic. > But really the main benefit of meat is that you get close to the right concentrations of everything by very definition. Not really. Maybe if you were eating chimp... but chickens have very different compositions to cows, pigs, salmon or polar bears. > You just put a steak in your mouth and you are 80% of the way there. It really isn't that simple. For example, it is well established that excessive red meat consumption raises the risk of colorectal cancer and other bad things.

watwut 3y ago

Runners hurt their knees fairly often and lack of rest is one reason for that.

onetimeuse92304 3y ago
Obviously, any activity is a chance to hurt yourself. And any regular activity is a chance for overuse injuries. I keep having small injuries here and there. The difference is that I am currently running 70km a week on average (7-10km on most week days, 10-21.1km on Sundays). My leg muscles are hard as rocks and my Achilles tendons are twice as tough as before (based on the increased cross section based on the images I have). It is much harder to evaluate load capacity of my knees (I don't have images to compare) but it is easy to see If I just started running 10k every day (even if I was able to do it aerobically) I would probably blow my knees in less than a month. Additionally, I suffer from torn ACL and before I started running my knee was kinda lose which made even walking a bit difficult (constant popping sounds, pains, etc.) Thanks to running and strength training the stronger muscles and other tendons took the slack off my knee and I pretty much forgot that there is anything wrong with it. I just need to pay attention to not get carried off too much and start doing some stupid shit like playing soccer or basketball which would definitely be a bad idea. As long as my activity has controlled moves like running or hiking in not too difficult terrain, I am fine.

inglor_cz 3y ago

"Regular stress is causing things to get stronger." Is that universally true? Not every system in our body is so anti-fragile. I walk a lot, but whenever I tried running, I had immediate problems with both joints and inflamed muscle. My guess is "too many hard surfaces". We are definitely not naturally adapted to pavements and asphalt.

onetimeuse92304 3y ago
Pavement/asphalt is actually pretty good for running beginners because the movements are much better controlled (predictable, stable, flat surface) which reduces sudden moves that can cause injury. But training in an uneven terrain will, over time, strengthen your other muscles and tendons that do not get much workout on pavement. It is important to understand if you want to move to running in uneven terrain you have to reduce your volume initially, pretty considerably, to give time to adjust. As to your problems with inflamed muscles and joints -- I have some experience with this I can share. First is that your aerobic capacity develops much faster than your joints and tendons, especially if you are older. It takes years of regular running to get your joints and tendons to be able to accept daily high mileage running. There is no other way than to start small (say 1-2 miles every other day) and slowly, slowly build it up and react every time you have any problems (by stalling your build up to get time to catch up). Connective tissue reacts best to high, non-repetitive loading. The fastest way to improve your tendons and knees is to start lifting heavy shit. That's why all pro runners are also going to the gym to lift weights. Not because they want to build muscle (you don't want muscle especially in legs because you need to move that mass back and forth) but because it strengthens joints and tendons and makes your legs more resilient to stress. Also, stronger core muscles help maintain good posture throughout long run preventing injuries. Personally, I found walking is an excellent supplement to running. Walking long distances regularly will also strengthen things with less chance for an acute injury. I have even started walking with a loaded backpack (read up on rucking).

aulin 3y ago

Regular stress in muscles maybe, assuming you allow them to recover properly. Repeated stress on support structures damages them. Running every day is terrible for your knees if you don't know how to run properly. Specifically if you overstride and land on your heels.

danielbln 3y ago
Yep, good running form is incredibly important. Our legs are rather wonderful springs, directing impact force into the giant muscle that is the glutes (i.e. the butt). The knees (or any other joints) should merely direct the force upwards. Heel striking, over striding, running too fast, too much padding etc. all lead to impact forces going into joints and those really don't like that. I've been running every single day no exceptions for almost 8 years, including marathons and a half marathon at least once a year. Most of my runs are slow, all of them are run with small steps and fore/mid foot strike. Stomping around the track huffing and puffing is not the way to do it, but when done right it is absolutely wonderful for the body.
gilbetron 3y ago
Not really, although as usual, it depends. It doesn't seem to hurt bones: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6416492/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6416492/ but it doesn't seem to help much either. There's evidence that running is actually good for your joints, as long as you don't keep running if you have an injury: https://www.nm.org/healthbeat/healthy-tips/fitness/is-running-bad-for-your-knees https://www.nm.org/healthbeat/healthy-tips/fitness/is-runnin... Running properly is part of the way to avoid injury. I had 3 knee surgeries over the years and have arthritis in that knee and actually running with OA seems to be an ok thing to do, which seems to correlate with my experience that my knee pain is less when I run than when I don't. As usual, there's lots of nuance and it depends on the person and the situation!
- aulin 3y ago
  The poster I was answering to said that repeated stress makes joints stronger. That's false. You can totally run injury free if you use your legs as springs and a natural stride

ekianjo 3y ago

> Running every day is excellent for your knees. Joints are not something you can recover easily once they are damaged.