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So you were around 28. I completely agree with your post and it hits home for me. But to a hustling 21 year old, who is super passionate and has nothing else go

So you were around 28. I completely agree with your post and it hits home for me. But to a hustling 21 year old, who is super passionate and has nothing else going on and really, doesnt quite know what he/she is doing -- I think that 5th day would just be spent playing video games or being hungover.

alexpenny 15y ago
You're describing someone who's lazy, not a 21 year old. The point is to give that person more time to do whatever they want. If you hire the right people they wouldn't be the type that play video games and drink all day.
- homosaur 15y ago
  Hold on, who are you to judge people on that? If someone wants to drink and play video games all day on their fifth day, then good for them! If they are producing quality work, then what does it matter? There is this obsession with productivity in the US and the startup community in general that I find incredibly distasteful. People are already risking their financial lives for startup businesses and you're going to come on here saying that's not good enough. That's typical Silicon Valley hivethink. Maybe you need to get out of the office more, bud.
  - alexpenny 15y ago
    Remember he was targeting 21 year olds. As a 21 year old I can confirm that not all of us just drink and play video games. As I said "The point is to give people time to do whatever they want." I don't care what you do or how old you are, I'm just not going to be sitting on my ass all day when I could be doing something productive or be "out of the office."
adrianhoward 15y ago
I think that 5th day would just be spent playing video games or being hungover You say that as if it was a bad thing. People need fun. It makes them feel better. People who feel better work better and are more productive. I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out that an extra day of fun makes the four days more productive than the five days of work. Hours worked is a lousy way to measure the contribution a person makes to the organisation.
- toomuchtodo 15y ago
  I believe the proper metric should be "profitability delivered per # of hours". If I can be more profitable, in less time, that should be more valuable than how many hours as a whole I've worked.
ryancarson 15y ago
Great comment :)
eli_gottlieb 15y ago
Who are these 21-year-olds intelligent and passionate enough for a start-up with nothing else going on?

alexpenny 15y ago

You're describing someone who's lazy, not a 21 year old. The point is to give that person more time to do whatever they want. If you hire the right people they wouldn't be the type that play video games and drink all day.

homosaur 15y ago
Hold on, who are you to judge people on that? If someone wants to drink and play video games all day on their fifth day, then good for them! If they are producing quality work, then what does it matter? There is this obsession with productivity in the US and the startup community in general that I find incredibly distasteful. People are already risking their financial lives for startup businesses and you're going to come on here saying that's not good enough. That's typical Silicon Valley hivethink. Maybe you need to get out of the office more, bud.
- alexpenny 15y ago
  Remember he was targeting 21 year olds. As a 21 year old I can confirm that not all of us just drink and play video games. As I said "The point is to give people time to do whatever they want." I don't care what you do or how old you are, I'm just not going to be sitting on my ass all day when I could be doing something productive or be "out of the office."

adrianhoward 15y ago

I think that 5th day would just be spent playing video games or being hungover You say that as if it was a bad thing. People need fun. It makes them feel better. People who feel better work better and are more productive. I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out that an extra day of fun makes the four days more productive than the five days of work. Hours worked is a lousy way to measure the contribution a person makes to the organisation.

toomuchtodo 15y ago
I believe the proper metric should be "profitability delivered per # of hours". If I can be more profitable, in less time, that should be more valuable than how many hours as a whole I've worked.

ryancarson 15y ago

Great comment :)

eli_gottlieb 15y ago

Who are these 21-year-olds intelligent and passionate enough for a start-up with nothing else going on?