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Porn has definitely had the same impact on what men like. Before the internet we were overrating local women just the same. Lots of guys I know don't want to b

Porn has definitely had the same impact on what men like. Before the internet we were overrating local women just the same. Lots of guys I know don't want to believe it, but there are a ton of lonely women out there that will fix themselves up for you just as you will for her. It's a matter of being willing to put in the work. People are not products on a shelf and they will change. It's up to you and your partner to guide that process for each other. You don't even have to commit to get that. Just be good friends.

lelanthran 3y ago
> Porn has definitely had the same impact on what men like. Maybe, but I seriously doubt it has an impact on what men actually do. Men aren't going "That woman is a 6; no way I'm sleeping with her" while women are saying "I know what I'm worth, because I dated[1] a top-5% man". It's always been the case that 80% of the women are chasing 5% of the men. Having the pool expanded by online-dating just means that even more women in absolute numbers have unrealistic expectations. [1] They didn't date them, they slept with them, couldn't get them to commit, and don't realise why they couldn't get them to commit.
- dvfjsdhgfv 3y ago
  I think they do, don't they? The whole "why didn't he call?", "all guys are pigs" trope isn't that new.
- sublinear 3y ago
  > Maybe, but I seriously doubt it has an impact on what men actually do. You're right not all men have changed. It changed what the "top" men do to be accepted by women. Porn had a huge impact on women. > Men aren't going "That woman is a 6; no way I'm sleeping with her" Women who are a 6+ now know that most men would sleep with them. That doesn't resolve their loneliness nor feed their ambitions or help them grow. Really at the end of the day they just want a halfway good reason for the sex beyond basic attraction. Relationship depends on how good that reason was and whether it led to a deeper bond. Long term relationship depends on whether the situation is sustainable.
  - lelanthran 3y ago
    > Women who are a 6+ now know that most men would sleep with them. Women who are a solid 6 think that they are a solid 8 (assuming an even distribution in attractiveness from 1 - 10). This is because, as you said, they know (not suspect) that most men would sleep with them, so in their mind, if 80% of men find them good enough to sleep with, then they're an 8/10. Even women in the 4 and below category are constantly having to decline male propositions, hence they overrate their desirability, not realising that 8/10 horny males would rather have sex with a women who's a 3 or a 2 than no sex at all.

lelanthran 3y ago

> Porn has definitely had the same impact on what men like. Maybe, but I seriously doubt it has an impact on what men actually do. Men aren't going "That woman is a 6; no way I'm sleeping with her" while women are saying "I know what I'm worth, because I dated[1] a top-5% man". It's always been the case that 80% of the women are chasing 5% of the men. Having the pool expanded by online-dating just means that even more women in absolute numbers have unrealistic expectations. [1] They didn't date them, they slept with them, couldn't get them to commit, and don't realise why they couldn't get them to commit.

dvfjsdhgfv 3y ago
I think they do, don't they? The whole "why didn't he call?", "all guys are pigs" trope isn't that new.
sublinear 3y ago
> Maybe, but I seriously doubt it has an impact on what men actually do. You're right not all men have changed. It changed what the "top" men do to be accepted by women. Porn had a huge impact on women. > Men aren't going "That woman is a 6; no way I'm sleeping with her" Women who are a 6+ now know that most men would sleep with them. That doesn't resolve their loneliness nor feed their ambitions or help them grow. Really at the end of the day they just want a halfway good reason for the sex beyond basic attraction. Relationship depends on how good that reason was and whether it led to a deeper bond. Long term relationship depends on whether the situation is sustainable.
- lelanthran 3y ago
  > Women who are a 6+ now know that most men would sleep with them. Women who are a solid 6 think that they are a solid 8 (assuming an even distribution in attractiveness from 1 - 10). This is because, as you said, they know (not suspect) that most men would sleep with them, so in their mind, if 80% of men find them good enough to sleep with, then they're an 8/10. Even women in the 4 and below category are constantly having to decline male propositions, hence they overrate their desirability, not realising that 8/10 horny males would rather have sex with a women who's a 3 or a 2 than no sex at all.