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Terrorist attacks are defendable against. But anyway, you don't need to defend against terrorist attacks as much if you convincingly show terrorists you can com

Terrorist attacks are defendable against. But anyway, you don't need to defend against terrorist attacks as much if you convincingly show terrorists you can come to their home and blow it up if they try.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
> Terrorist attacks are defendable against. The next time you’re in line at TSA, at a public event (sporting, concerts), at a major transportation hub, any large gathering of people, think about this position you’ve taken. There is a multiple victim shooting event almost every day in the US, and your argument is terrorist attacks can be defended against? We can’t even protect the country from ourselves. These outcomes are a choice. https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting?year=2023 https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting?yea... https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ > In a 2017 US study, researchers found that the average police response time was around 10 minutes. Department of Homeland Security research revealed that the average duration of an active shooter incident at a school is 12.5 minutes yet the average response time for law enforcement is 18 minutes. https://criticalarc.com/cutting-your-teams-response-time-in-half/ https://criticalarc.com/cutting-your-teams-response-time-in-... https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/response-time-whats-rush https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/response... https://jasher.substack.com/p/police-are-taking-longer-to-respond https://jasher.substack.com/p/police-are-taking-longer-to-re... https://www.npr.org/2023/01/17/1149455678/why-data-from-15-cities-show-police-response-times-are-taking-longer https://www.npr.org/2023/01/17/1149455678/why-data-from-15-c...
- throwaway290 3y ago
  > There is a multiple victim shooting event almost every day in the US, and your argument is terrorist attacks can be defended against? We can’t even protect the country from ourselves The reason for shooting is related to civilian population carrying weapons. It's tragic but it is also a thing that would make attacking US super impractical. Remember that Russia is super close to US geographically. It's not such a massive project to throw enough troops east and start with Alaska. So why not? Well, US (thanks its insane military budget that you so denounce) would see it coming years in advance and but even with zero warning every other house they encounter on the way will have well prepared people stoked with assault rifles.
maxbond 3y ago
I think you fundamentally misunderstand the strategy of terrorists. They are looking to provoke a violent overreaction in order to radicalize the populace. It is a response to our ability to blow them up, and not one we have developed an antidote for.
- throwaway290 3y ago
  Sure, but those rich elites themselves like to live well and somehow it turns out they when it comes to their own they really don't like to die or see their big prosperous families die. You can't rule radicalized impoverished populations if you yourself are dead. Letting them see that their target can retaliate in this way is not cheap.
  - maxbond 3y ago
    Given current events, I don't understand how you can hold this view? We've recently seen a truly horrifying terrorist attack, and the response was as brutal as you would expect. Surely the people who planned and executed it knew that better than we do, since presumably it's their business to know such things. Surely that's a constructive proof that this notion is mistaken?
    - nolongerthere 3y ago
      This is a fascinating take: what do you suggest the proper response would be to the current event you referenced in light of your opinion that any response will only radicalize the local population?
      - maxbond 3y ago
        First let me say, I'm not trying to make a policy prescription. I'm pointing out what I thought was a misconception about how terrorism works. But to answer your question, I have absolutely no idea. I follow a military news YouTuber named Ryan McBeth, and something he says that makes sense to me is that effective strategies present adversaries with dilemmas rather than problems, where each option is terrible but you have no choice but to pick one. The reason terrorism is effective, to the extent that it is effective, is that no one has discovered an effective means to counter it.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

> Terrorist attacks are defendable against. The next time you’re in line at TSA, at a public event (sporting, concerts), at a major transportation hub, any large gathering of people, think about this position you’ve taken. There is a multiple victim shooting event almost every day in the US, and your argument is terrorist attacks can be defended against? We can’t even protect the country from ourselves. These outcomes are a choice. https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting?year=2023 https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting?yea... https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ > In a 2017 US study, researchers found that the average police response time was around 10 minutes. Department of Homeland Security research revealed that the average duration of an active shooter incident at a school is 12.5 minutes yet the average response time for law enforcement is 18 minutes. https://criticalarc.com/cutting-your-teams-response-time-in-half/ https://criticalarc.com/cutting-your-teams-response-time-in-... https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/response-time-whats-rush https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/response... https://jasher.substack.com/p/police-are-taking-longer-to-respond https://jasher.substack.com/p/police-are-taking-longer-to-re... https://www.npr.org/2023/01/17/1149455678/why-data-from-15-cities-show-police-response-times-are-taking-longer https://www.npr.org/2023/01/17/1149455678/why-data-from-15-c...

throwaway290 3y ago
> There is a multiple victim shooting event almost every day in the US, and your argument is terrorist attacks can be defended against? We can’t even protect the country from ourselves The reason for shooting is related to civilian population carrying weapons. It's tragic but it is also a thing that would make attacking US super impractical. Remember that Russia is super close to US geographically. It's not such a massive project to throw enough troops east and start with Alaska. So why not? Well, US (thanks its insane military budget that you so denounce) would see it coming years in advance and but even with zero warning every other house they encounter on the way will have well prepared people stoked with assault rifles.

maxbond 3y ago

I think you fundamentally misunderstand the strategy of terrorists. They are looking to provoke a violent overreaction in order to radicalize the populace. It is a response to our ability to blow them up, and not one we have developed an antidote for.

throwaway290 3y ago
Sure, but those rich elites themselves like to live well and somehow it turns out they when it comes to their own they really don't like to die or see their big prosperous families die. You can't rule radicalized impoverished populations if you yourself are dead. Letting them see that their target can retaliate in this way is not cheap.
- maxbond 3y ago
  Given current events, I don't understand how you can hold this view? We've recently seen a truly horrifying terrorist attack, and the response was as brutal as you would expect. Surely the people who planned and executed it knew that better than we do, since presumably it's their business to know such things. Surely that's a constructive proof that this notion is mistaken?
  - nolongerthere 3y ago
    This is a fascinating take: what do you suggest the proper response would be to the current event you referenced in light of your opinion that any response will only radicalize the local population?
    - maxbond 3y ago
      First let me say, I'm not trying to make a policy prescription. I'm pointing out what I thought was a misconception about how terrorism works. But to answer your question, I have absolutely no idea. I follow a military news YouTuber named Ryan McBeth, and something he says that makes sense to me is that effective strategies present adversaries with dilemmas rather than problems, where each option is terrible but you have no choice but to pick one. The reason terrorism is effective, to the extent that it is effective, is that no one has discovered an effective means to counter it.