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I didn’t see it that way - I think they have a valid point. I know people personally affected by deaths in their family due to the virus and I know people who c

I didn’t see it that way - I think they have a valid point. I know people personally affected by deaths in their family due to the virus and I know people who caught and fought it like it was nothing, so I know exactly what the poster is getting at. When it hits your loved ones, you start to take it more seriously. Wearing a mask and socially distancing doesn’t matter if it means not losing another family member. Conversely, if you experience just a minor cold, you start questioning all the media you’ve seen about the death rates and this and that which can definitely lead you to thinking everyone’s exaggerating the whole thing for a reason unknown to you. I’m not anti vax at all (studied biomedical science) but I do see how people can be pushed towards having those views, even subconsciously, through highly manipulated algorithms that can use emotions to extract content in the form of comments, reaction videos, memes etc from real people. Come to think of it, AI has been milking humans for content for years.

zmgsabst 3y ago
Francis Collins has already admitted the policies were myopic and didn’t account for QALY — they were malpractice that focused on a particular disease while ignoring the holistic situation. Literally failed at basic medicine. Again, you’re portraying people as “dumb and emotional” without addressing the substance of their concerns or reasons. You’re also refusing to ponder if that’s how you reached your conclusions. But the director of the NIH during COVID now admits those people were right the whole time — COVID policy failed to weigh its costs, and as such, didn’t strike the right balance for public health.
- croes 3y ago
  >now admits those people were right the whole time Those people for sure aren't the anti-vaxers and anti maskers. It's about the consequences of the lockdown, school closings and operation postponings and it's pretty easy to point at that consequences if you can't compare them to the consequences without these measures. In Sweden they had similar admissions that their initial measures were wrong and they didn't have lockdowns.
  - zmgsabst 3y ago
    Yes — obviously Francis Collins, former director of NIH, just did the comparison wrong. And obviously the people you’re stereotyping were just “anti-vax” and “anti-mask”, not people who objected based on principle and were right. You’re a crank who can’t admit he was wrong.
    - croes 3y ago
      If you fight vaccines and masks you are anti-vax and anti mask that's not a stereotype but just a description of their behavior. An despite claiming otherwise, masks work as long as you and the people around wear them. The Cochrane study only showed that you can't escape the virus if it's everywhere because as soon you ket your guards down you get infected And guess what helped to spread it everywhere. Masks aren't dangerous and the benefit of the vaccines outweighs the risks compared to a corona infection.

zmgsabst 3y ago

Francis Collins has already admitted the policies were myopic and didn’t account for QALY — they were malpractice that focused on a particular disease while ignoring the holistic situation. Literally failed at basic medicine. Again, you’re portraying people as “dumb and emotional” without addressing the substance of their concerns or reasons. You’re also refusing to ponder if that’s how you reached your conclusions. But the director of the NIH during COVID now admits those people were right the whole time — COVID policy failed to weigh its costs, and as such, didn’t strike the right balance for public health.

croes 3y ago
>now admits those people were right the whole time Those people for sure aren't the anti-vaxers and anti maskers. It's about the consequences of the lockdown, school closings and operation postponings and it's pretty easy to point at that consequences if you can't compare them to the consequences without these measures. In Sweden they had similar admissions that their initial measures were wrong and they didn't have lockdowns.
- zmgsabst 3y ago
  Yes — obviously Francis Collins, former director of NIH, just did the comparison wrong. And obviously the people you’re stereotyping were just “anti-vax” and “anti-mask”, not people who objected based on principle and were right. You’re a crank who can’t admit he was wrong.
  - croes 3y ago
    If you fight vaccines and masks you are anti-vax and anti mask that's not a stereotype but just a description of their behavior. An despite claiming otherwise, masks work as long as you and the people around wear them. The Cochrane study only showed that you can't escape the virus if it's everywhere because as soon you ket your guards down you get infected And guess what helped to spread it everywhere. Masks aren't dangerous and the benefit of the vaccines outweighs the risks compared to a corona infection.