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Both J&K and HP have < 950 sex ratios - possibly due to selective abortions. This will also affect the ability for men to find brides.

2Gkashmiri 3y ago
selective abortions are banned. at least in jk where i am from. anecdata but i have a relative who had 4 daughters before 1 son. in total he has 5 children.
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alephnerd 3y ago
> possibly due to selective abortions Young Families in HP tend to try to have at most 2 kids. If they get a boy in the first try, they generally won't try for another [0]. I can safely say it's a similar story in Jammu, but I can't speak for Kashmir. Kerala (where you appear to be from) actually has a worse Sex Ratio than JK [1]. Us Northies (at least DL/PB/HR/HP/JK/CH) have roughly comparable social indicators to Kerala, despite much more social strife. [0] - https://m.tribuneindia.com/news/himachal/low-sex-ratio-at-birth-extremely-worrisome-343297 https://m.tribuneindia.com/news/himachal/low-sex-ratio-at-bi... [1] - https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1782601 https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1782601
- mavelikara 3y ago
  I don't want this to be about Kerala. You are right - there was a sharp decline (1047->951) in Kerala's sex ratio at birth between NFHS-5 and NFHS-4 [1]. The overall sex ratio of Kerala is still high at 1049 [2], but the leading indicators do not look good. Meantime, J&K saw a commendable increase in sex ratio at birth 923->976 [1]. HP is one of the 3 states where the sex ratio at birth is now < 900 (875) [1]. So, I am not convinced that you can group J&K and HP to share a similar narrative when it comes to young babies born in the recent past. But they do share similar numbers when it comes to adults. J&K has only 889 females per 1000 males [3], and HP has 972 [4]. Hence my original comment - for adult men trying to find mates, both states will likely have a deficit of women. (I was wrong about HP sex ratio being less than 950, though - mea culpa). [1]: https://prsindia.org/policy/vital-stats/national-family-health-survey-5 https://prsindia.org/policy/vital-stats/national-family-heal... [2]: http://rchiips.org/nfhs/NFHS-5_FCTS/Kerala.pdf http://rchiips.org/nfhs/NFHS-5_FCTS/Kerala.pdf [3]: http://www.jkslbc.com/StateProfile.php http://www.jkslbc.com/StateProfile.php [4]: https://nhm.hp.gov.in/demographic-profile https://nhm.hp.gov.in/demographic-profile
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    Ethnically and culturally, Jammu (not Kashmir), HP, and Uttarakhand are closely connected (Lower Himachal with Jammu and Upper Himachal with Uttarakhand). The fact that JK and Uttarakhand both have a high sex ratio but HP's fell is hard to square, especially when factoring that HP's overall sex ratio is also at 1040. A drop to 875 in less than a generation is very weird. > adult men trying to find mates, both states will likely have a deficit of womem For Paharis (not Kashmiris), marriage has to be exogamous. A Mandeali basically cannot marry another Mandeali - you'll have to marry out to another valley otherwise it's incest. That's how Pahari communities/biradaris traditionally spread from Manshera to Garhwal. > I don't want this to be about Kerala Fair. Just overly defensive because some South Indians have recently gotten a bit chauvinistic about "North Indians".

2Gkashmiri 3y ago

selective abortions are banned. at least in jk where i am from. anecdata but i have a relative who had 4 daughters before 1 son. in total he has 5 children.

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alephnerd 3y ago

> possibly due to selective abortions Young Families in HP tend to try to have at most 2 kids. If they get a boy in the first try, they generally won't try for another [0]. I can safely say it's a similar story in Jammu, but I can't speak for Kashmir. Kerala (where you appear to be from) actually has a worse Sex Ratio than JK [1]. Us Northies (at least DL/PB/HR/HP/JK/CH) have roughly comparable social indicators to Kerala, despite much more social strife. [0] - https://m.tribuneindia.com/news/himachal/low-sex-ratio-at-birth-extremely-worrisome-343297 https://m.tribuneindia.com/news/himachal/low-sex-ratio-at-bi... [1] - https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1782601 https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1782601

mavelikara 3y ago
I don't want this to be about Kerala. You are right - there was a sharp decline (1047->951) in Kerala's sex ratio at birth between NFHS-5 and NFHS-4 [1]. The overall sex ratio of Kerala is still high at 1049 [2], but the leading indicators do not look good. Meantime, J&K saw a commendable increase in sex ratio at birth 923->976 [1]. HP is one of the 3 states where the sex ratio at birth is now < 900 (875) [1]. So, I am not convinced that you can group J&K and HP to share a similar narrative when it comes to young babies born in the recent past. But they do share similar numbers when it comes to adults. J&K has only 889 females per 1000 males [3], and HP has 972 [4]. Hence my original comment - for adult men trying to find mates, both states will likely have a deficit of women. (I was wrong about HP sex ratio being less than 950, though - mea culpa). [1]: https://prsindia.org/policy/vital-stats/national-family-health-survey-5 https://prsindia.org/policy/vital-stats/national-family-heal... [2]: http://rchiips.org/nfhs/NFHS-5_FCTS/Kerala.pdf http://rchiips.org/nfhs/NFHS-5_FCTS/Kerala.pdf [3]: http://www.jkslbc.com/StateProfile.php http://www.jkslbc.com/StateProfile.php [4]: https://nhm.hp.gov.in/demographic-profile https://nhm.hp.gov.in/demographic-profile
- alephnerd 3y ago
  Ethnically and culturally, Jammu (not Kashmir), HP, and Uttarakhand are closely connected (Lower Himachal with Jammu and Upper Himachal with Uttarakhand). The fact that JK and Uttarakhand both have a high sex ratio but HP's fell is hard to square, especially when factoring that HP's overall sex ratio is also at 1040. A drop to 875 in less than a generation is very weird. > adult men trying to find mates, both states will likely have a deficit of womem For Paharis (not Kashmiris), marriage has to be exogamous. A Mandeali basically cannot marry another Mandeali - you'll have to marry out to another valley otherwise it's incest. That's how Pahari communities/biradaris traditionally spread from Manshera to Garhwal. > I don't want this to be about Kerala Fair. Just overly defensive because some South Indians have recently gotten a bit chauvinistic about "North Indians".