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Carbon is really exhibit A of why MVPs exist. Jai and Cppfront have the same problem but Blow and Sutter probably don’t care if they never gain much traction. C

Carbon is really exhibit A of why MVPs exist. Jai and Cppfront have the same problem but Blow and Sutter probably don’t care if they never gain much traction. Conversely, Carbon is Google-backed (IIRC) and will soon die if it can’t justify its continued existence.

pjmlp 3y ago
Carbon has been explicilty announced as an experiement by Google for Google, as means to transition their own C++ code. Chandler Carruth is on the record stating it doesn't matter if it eventually dies, it is an experiement, where they hope to learn something out of it. For some strange reason people keep giving more value to Carbon, than its own design team.
xhevahir 3y ago
Carbon is Facebook.
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- steveklabnik 3y ago
  Carbon was started by Chandler Carruth, at Google, but they wanted to move it to broader governance quickly. It's not under the Google GitHub today, but its own org. https://github.com/carbon-language/carbon-lang/blob/trunk/docs/project/evolution.md#governance-structure https://github.com/carbon-language/carbon-lang/blob/trunk/do... And Meta is pretty clearly committed to Rust at this point.
frfl 3y ago
I can't comment on Herb Sutter. But Jonathan Blow, from what I've seen and heard, is deeply passionate about the domain Jai is targeting and appears to have Jai already in pre-production use in his next in-development game/engine. I agree about the MVP stuff; in contrast to things like Zig, Jai is the completely opposite, it's being built behind closed doors with little to no community feedback, with the creator and inner circle have say in the direction. I'm not sure how well it will pan out. Seems like, from the outside, Blow is scratching his own itch and maybe it's possible Jai will never take off. The only real world similar example is Elm, which while open source, is/(was?) also heavily design behind closed doors in many ways, albeit not to the degree to which Jai is. There's also Mojo, the Python-like language. It's also being built behind closed doors, but it seems to have a lot of hype behind it already.

pjmlp 3y ago

Carbon has been explicilty announced as an experiement by Google for Google, as means to transition their own C++ code. Chandler Carruth is on the record stating it doesn't matter if it eventually dies, it is an experiement, where they hope to learn something out of it. For some strange reason people keep giving more value to Carbon, than its own design team.

xhevahir 3y ago

Carbon is Facebook.

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steveklabnik 3y ago
Carbon was started by Chandler Carruth, at Google, but they wanted to move it to broader governance quickly. It's not under the Google GitHub today, but its own org. https://github.com/carbon-language/carbon-lang/blob/trunk/docs/project/evolution.md#governance-structure https://github.com/carbon-language/carbon-lang/blob/trunk/do... And Meta is pretty clearly committed to Rust at this point.

frfl 3y ago

I can't comment on Herb Sutter. But Jonathan Blow, from what I've seen and heard, is deeply passionate about the domain Jai is targeting and appears to have Jai already in pre-production use in his next in-development game/engine. I agree about the MVP stuff; in contrast to things like Zig, Jai is the completely opposite, it's being built behind closed doors with little to no community feedback, with the creator and inner circle have say in the direction. I'm not sure how well it will pan out. Seems like, from the outside, Blow is scratching his own itch and maybe it's possible Jai will never take off. The only real world similar example is Elm, which while open source, is/(was?) also heavily design behind closed doors in many ways, albeit not to the degree to which Jai is. There's also Mojo, the Python-like language. It's also being built behind closed doors, but it seems to have a lot of hype behind it already.