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Related Trivia : France stands out as one of the select countries that enforce a music quota system, which appears to be among the most stringent : a minimum of

Related Trivia : France stands out as one of the select countries that enforce a music quota system, which appears to be among the most stringent : a minimum of four in ten songs broadcast by domestic radio stations to be in the French language [1]. (link : it is this same french music that will be further supported by the new Tax) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_quota#France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_quota#France

benjaminwootton 3y ago
I quite like how France defend their culture. Some of these rules sound silly, but if they slow down the world homogenising then they aren’t without benefit.
- xeromal 3y ago
  Yeah, it's hard to hate a country for attempting to protect their culture. Kudos.
  - halfdan 3y ago
    They basically killed off all the other minority languages they had in their country (like oxitan) and homogenised on standard French. Some irony in that.
  - kmeisthax 3y ago
    "Protect their culture" is one of those phrases that raises alarm bells, especially when it's being used by a government. We have a 1st Amendment for a reason - because governments are not to be trusted with the decisions of what cultures to protect or not. In the specific case of France, all sorts of horrible shit was done in the name of """protecting""" their culture. There were several other languages[0] native to France that Francophones had themselves tried to wipe out[1]. French is not a language in need of protection, it is a brutal predator in and of itself. If English weren't there to keep it in check[2], it'd go eat all the rest of the languages. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patois https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patois [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitan_language#Preservation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitan_language#Preservation [2] Similar to the concept of a keystone predator, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_species https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_species
    - darthrupert 3y ago
      [flagged]
      - lores 3y ago
        That's a viewpoint backed by crude jingoism and not much else. See https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/13dg3s/how_true_is_the_statement_that_the_soviet_union/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/13dg3s/how_t..., for example.
        darthrupert 3y ago
        Yes, USA saved those countries from the catastrophe that is Soviet Union as well as from Nazi Germany.
      - kmeisthax 3y ago
        You're not looking far back enough. European anti-Americanism is a monarchist meme that jumped from ideological host to ideological host until it thoroughly infected the whole continent[0]. America won its independence primarily by playing colonial powers off one another. Britain bankrupted itself defending America from the French. When Britain tried to get America to pay for being protected, America got France to bankrupt itself protecting America from the tax bill. France then had a revolution; its medieval despots replaced with liberals and left-wingers caught in a power struggle and demanding bribes of the American diplomats[1]. The rest of Europe's power elite distrusted America, as it had apparently infected France with liberal republicanism[2], and France was busy invading the rest of Europe[3] and spreading liberalism[4] elsewhere. Monarchism was, if not defeated, at least contained with constitutional restrictions. However, other ideologies found it useful to define themselves in opposition to America. America has always been a country of contradictions. We're the liberal democracy that had to come up with a "three fifths compromise", after all. So if you're on the right[5], America is dangerously radical. If you're on the left, America is dangerously conservative. If you're a centrist, America is dangerously fickle. I will give the "culture protectors" one thing. America's quasi-official policy has been to make it very easy to export American culture while making it very difficult to import it. This is difficult to actually enforce, however, because we have the 1st Amendment. The US government can't just ban or put quotas on French films or music in the same way that France can. In the broadcast era of publishing, America got their way primarily through public-private partnerships. It had a movie industry that it sponsored with favorable trading relations and copyright laws, while looking the other way on monopolistic policies that would shut foreign cinema out of the market. But that's all gone now - as can be evidenced by the ridiculous amount of fandom for Japanese animation and Korean music - and doesn't excuse the far more explicit legal limitations on cultural importation that France engages in. [0] Arguably with the exception of fascists, which fucking adored America's extreme racial segregation even while it attacked America for being liberal. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYZ_Affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYZ_Affair [2] As in the idea that governments should be run as republics with legally protected liberties and democratic voting [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_First_Coalition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_First_Coalition [4] The liberty mind virus is defeated or nothing else matters - 18th Century Elon Musk [5] Which, conveniently, the French were busy defining
  - dehrmann 3y ago
    When I visited Paris, the expectation to (at least try to) speak French and the national pride felt like looking at a certain version of the US from the outside.
- oyster143 3y ago
  It seems that fears of music homogenization are overblown, if you check charts on streaming services for different countries (non-english speaking) they would mostly have local music, even for the countries where there are no laws protecting local music. Many of them would have no US/UK artists in top-20 (most Latin American, East European, African countries)
  - hulitu 3y ago
    Citation needed. /s
layer8 3y ago
Related trivia: In French, you put a space before a semicolon.
- Lalabadie 3y ago
  In France you do (with interrogation and exclamation marks as well), but not everywhere in the world. I don't think anyone would raise an eyebrow at punctuation without the leading space in a french-speaking text.
DizzyDoo 3y ago
Not specific-language related, but see also Canada's CanCon legislation on Canadian-made music quotas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content
- arcticbull 3y ago
  Yup, 40% of radio content and 55% of TV content must be 'Canadian origin' (except the CBC which is 60%).
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    They just spam Bieber, Celine Dion, and Drake to make those numbers instead of sampling smaller acts.

benjaminwootton 3y ago

I quite like how France defend their culture. Some of these rules sound silly, but if they slow down the world homogenising then they aren’t without benefit.

xeromal 3y ago
Yeah, it's hard to hate a country for attempting to protect their culture. Kudos.
- halfdan 3y ago
  They basically killed off all the other minority languages they had in their country (like oxitan) and homogenised on standard French. Some irony in that.
- kmeisthax 3y ago
  "Protect their culture" is one of those phrases that raises alarm bells, especially when it's being used by a government. We have a 1st Amendment for a reason - because governments are not to be trusted with the decisions of what cultures to protect or not. In the specific case of France, all sorts of horrible shit was done in the name of """protecting""" their culture. There were several other languages[0] native to France that Francophones had themselves tried to wipe out[1]. French is not a language in need of protection, it is a brutal predator in and of itself. If English weren't there to keep it in check[2], it'd go eat all the rest of the languages. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patois https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patois [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitan_language#Preservation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitan_language#Preservation [2] Similar to the concept of a keystone predator, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_species https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_species
  - darthrupert 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - lores 3y ago
      That's a viewpoint backed by crude jingoism and not much else. See https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/13dg3s/how_true_is_the_statement_that_the_soviet_union/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/13dg3s/how_t..., for example.
      - darthrupert 3y ago
        Yes, USA saved those countries from the catastrophe that is Soviet Union as well as from Nazi Germany.
    - kmeisthax 3y ago
      You're not looking far back enough. European anti-Americanism is a monarchist meme that jumped from ideological host to ideological host until it thoroughly infected the whole continent[0]. America won its independence primarily by playing colonial powers off one another. Britain bankrupted itself defending America from the French. When Britain tried to get America to pay for being protected, America got France to bankrupt itself protecting America from the tax bill. France then had a revolution; its medieval despots replaced with liberals and left-wingers caught in a power struggle and demanding bribes of the American diplomats[1]. The rest of Europe's power elite distrusted America, as it had apparently infected France with liberal republicanism[2], and France was busy invading the rest of Europe[3] and spreading liberalism[4] elsewhere. Monarchism was, if not defeated, at least contained with constitutional restrictions. However, other ideologies found it useful to define themselves in opposition to America. America has always been a country of contradictions. We're the liberal democracy that had to come up with a "three fifths compromise", after all. So if you're on the right[5], America is dangerously radical. If you're on the left, America is dangerously conservative. If you're a centrist, America is dangerously fickle. I will give the "culture protectors" one thing. America's quasi-official policy has been to make it very easy to export American culture while making it very difficult to import it. This is difficult to actually enforce, however, because we have the 1st Amendment. The US government can't just ban or put quotas on French films or music in the same way that France can. In the broadcast era of publishing, America got their way primarily through public-private partnerships. It had a movie industry that it sponsored with favorable trading relations and copyright laws, while looking the other way on monopolistic policies that would shut foreign cinema out of the market. But that's all gone now - as can be evidenced by the ridiculous amount of fandom for Japanese animation and Korean music - and doesn't excuse the far more explicit legal limitations on cultural importation that France engages in. [0] Arguably with the exception of fascists, which fucking adored America's extreme racial segregation even while it attacked America for being liberal. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYZ_Affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYZ_Affair [2] As in the idea that governments should be run as republics with legally protected liberties and democratic voting [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_First_Coalition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_First_Coalition [4] The liberty mind virus is defeated or nothing else matters - 18th Century Elon Musk [5] Which, conveniently, the French were busy defining
- dehrmann 3y ago
  When I visited Paris, the expectation to (at least try to) speak French and the national pride felt like looking at a certain version of the US from the outside.
oyster143 3y ago
It seems that fears of music homogenization are overblown, if you check charts on streaming services for different countries (non-english speaking) they would mostly have local music, even for the countries where there are no laws protecting local music. Many of them would have no US/UK artists in top-20 (most Latin American, East European, African countries)
- hulitu 3y ago
  Citation needed. /s

layer8 3y ago

Related trivia: In French, you put a space before a semicolon.

Lalabadie 3y ago
In France you do (with interrogation and exclamation marks as well), but not everywhere in the world. I don't think anyone would raise an eyebrow at punctuation without the leading space in a french-speaking text.

DizzyDoo 3y ago

Not specific-language related, but see also Canada's CanCon legislation on Canadian-made music quotas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content

arcticbull 3y ago
Yup, 40% of radio content and 55% of TV content must be 'Canadian origin' (except the CBC which is 60%).
- alephnerd 3y ago
  They just spam Bieber, Celine Dion, and Drake to make those numbers instead of sampling smaller acts.