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When I talked to T-mobile, they said that in order for them to sell me the phone without contract (this was also $399) they would still need to have data plan a

by mad44 18y ago

When I talked to T-mobile, they said that in order for them to sell me the phone without contract (this was also $399) they would still need to have data plan added to my ongoing account. They said the phone will simply not operate without the data plan. This seems to support a recent report on excessive G1 roaming bill overseas, even though when the user did not even use the internet. I guess the G1 phone is pinging incessantly. Anyways, this new Android G1 sale is great. But, my question is, can I use this phone with an on-demand data access. Or would it be restricted to use 3G, and without a data plan I would not be able to access Internet outside of wi-fi? T-mobile's data plan is $35 a month. Very expensive...

kqr2 18y ago
Actually, in the US, the t-mobile data plan is $24.99/month and includes 400 messages. Be careful though. Apparently, the 400 messages includes both SMS as well as IM. http://www.breakitdownblog.com/massive-confusion-over-t-mobile-g1-data-plan-messages/ http://www.breakitdownblog.com/massive-confusion-over-t-mobi... Also, right now Walmart is selling the g1 for $200 with only a one year contract. They are also throwing in a $50 gift card.
- enomar 18y ago
  Only certain IMs are counted in that 400; and only when you're using the default IM app. Google Talk IMs are included for free. And if you want to use something else, there are other IM apps out there that don't use T-Mobile's gateway.
mdolon 18y ago
Does this mean that the Android Dev Phone will also require some sort of data plan with your carrier? That would be a total buzz kill and for some people (just me?) defeats the purpose of having Wi-fi on a phone.
- enomar 18y ago
  You don't need a data plan for WiFi to work, but yeah; if you want to access the internet using your carrier's network, you'll have to pay for a data plan.
  - shimon 18y ago
    Many carriers will let you use their data services on a pay-per-byte basis even if you're not subscribed to a data plan. This is usually ridiculously expensive, so if you're going to actually use a smartphone, an "unlimited" plan is usually wise.
shimi 18y ago
You can't this is where the Android business angle is, it must be connected at all times, and you naturally need to pay for it. What's more if you'll insert an Android sim card to a different phone the data plan won't work!!! It only works on Android!!!
enomar 18y ago
The G1 is loaded with T-Mobile firmware. It has features that will only work with T-Mobile's data plans. This phone is not the G1. It's an android developer phone with it's own (replaceable) firmware. The features it provides are listed on the Android market site http://www.android.com/market http://www.android.com/market (login required).
shimon 18y ago
I doubt that the G1 will "simply not operate" without a data plan. I suspect this is T-mobile's way of avoiding having to explain (especially to non-techie customers who might not realize that a smartphone without a data plan is probably a bad idea) that many of the phone's features require a data plan, and that skipping the data plan is a good way to spend $4 every time you travel with Google Maps. I heard the same thing a couple of years ago regarding a blackberry I was purchasing. I got a data plan, and a year or so later a friend needed a replacement GSM phone. The blackberry worked just fine as a phone with her SIM card; of course, you couldn't browse the web or get email on it.
- rcoder 18y ago
  Actually, you can't even make a call without a data plan, since you can't register the G1 with Google's servers, and thereby cannot escape the initial setup wizard. I know this because I paid full price for a G1 w/o contract, and had to wait 48 hours for my data service to be activated after I bought the phone. (T-Mobile's contract-less service is slightly less crappy than most carriers', but still has some horrible problems, like not being able to change service terms mid-month under any circumstances.)
  - litewulf 18y ago
    I think after the intial setup wizard things are okay. That being said, remember to turn off data roaming (I think its off by default, but perhaps people either change it, or it the default has changed?) Smartphones can generate scary scary phone bills ;)

by mad44 18y ago

kqr2 18y ago

Actually, in the US, the t-mobile data plan is $24.99/month and includes 400 messages. Be careful though. Apparently, the 400 messages includes both SMS as well as IM. http://www.breakitdownblog.com/massive-confusion-over-t-mobile-g1-data-plan-messages/ http://www.breakitdownblog.com/massive-confusion-over-t-mobi... Also, right now Walmart is selling the g1 for $200 with only a one year contract. They are also throwing in a $50 gift card.

enomar 18y ago
Only certain IMs are counted in that 400; and only when you're using the default IM app. Google Talk IMs are included for free. And if you want to use something else, there are other IM apps out there that don't use T-Mobile's gateway.

mdolon 18y ago

Does this mean that the Android Dev Phone will also require some sort of data plan with your carrier? That would be a total buzz kill and for some people (just me?) defeats the purpose of having Wi-fi on a phone.

enomar 18y ago
You don't need a data plan for WiFi to work, but yeah; if you want to access the internet using your carrier's network, you'll have to pay for a data plan.
- shimon 18y ago
  Many carriers will let you use their data services on a pay-per-byte basis even if you're not subscribed to a data plan. This is usually ridiculously expensive, so if you're going to actually use a smartphone, an "unlimited" plan is usually wise.

shimi 18y ago

You can't this is where the Android business angle is, it must be connected at all times, and you naturally need to pay for it. What's more if you'll insert an Android sim card to a different phone the data plan won't work!!! It only works on Android!!!

enomar 18y ago

The G1 is loaded with T-Mobile firmware. It has features that will only work with T-Mobile's data plans. This phone is not the G1. It's an android developer phone with it's own (replaceable) firmware. The features it provides are listed on the Android market site http://www.android.com/market http://www.android.com/market (login required).

shimon 18y ago

I doubt that the G1 will "simply not operate" without a data plan. I suspect this is T-mobile's way of avoiding having to explain (especially to non-techie customers who might not realize that a smartphone without a data plan is probably a bad idea) that many of the phone's features require a data plan, and that skipping the data plan is a good way to spend $4 every time you travel with Google Maps. I heard the same thing a couple of years ago regarding a blackberry I was purchasing. I got a data plan, and a year or so later a friend needed a replacement GSM phone. The blackberry worked just fine as a phone with her SIM card; of course, you couldn't browse the web or get email on it.

rcoder 18y ago
Actually, you can't even make a call without a data plan, since you can't register the G1 with Google's servers, and thereby cannot escape the initial setup wizard. I know this because I paid full price for a G1 w/o contract, and had to wait 48 hours for my data service to be activated after I bought the phone. (T-Mobile's contract-less service is slightly less crappy than most carriers', but still has some horrible problems, like not being able to change service terms mid-month under any circumstances.)
- litewulf 18y ago
  I think after the intial setup wizard things are okay. That being said, remember to turn off data roaming (I think its off by default, but perhaps people either change it, or it the default has changed?) Smartphones can generate scary scary phone bills ;)