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The dogs argument is the weakest argument.
by financypants 3y ago
The dogs argument is the weakest argument.
- elijahbenizzy 3y agoStrong disagree, but there is clearly an argument for everyone here :)
- ysavir 3y agoThey may not have meant weakest in the sense of "least valid", but rather "least likely to change minds". One of my cats gets freaked out by fireworks and I'd love to see a cessation of the tradition, but I fully acknowledge that fans of fireworks aren't likely to show any concern for the impact on pets.
- elijahbenizzy 3y agoSure, but one does not need to convince the fans of fireworks, rather one needs to convince enough fans of dogs (of which there are quite a few)
- TylerE 3y agoDo you really want to follow that logic through to stuff "we" like, but that large swathes of the general public finds objectionable? LIke, say, hacking? Crypto? (I mean communication, not currency) Porn? What you are advoating for is tyranny, not harmony.
- elijahbenizzy 3y agoSee comments above -- its not logic for banning, its a coalition-building tactic, which is generally employed in most decisions we make/persuasions we carry out.
- TylerE 3y agoI don't see how your "comment above" is saying anything different than exactly what I said, just dressed up in non-threatening language. There's a razor thin line between 'coalition building' and 'mob rule'.
- elijahbenizzy 3y agoI think that if you look at a history of social changes you’ll very likely find that they all started with successful persuasion campaigns. Like it or not, if you want to preserve the rights we hold dear (as you mentioned above), you’re going to have to find people that agree with you, hopefully through facts and reason. While it’s possible to preserve rights solely through a well-built technocratic/representative government, the will of the people will always bubble up in some way, and you owe it to your causes to do everything you can to change that will/find people that agree. Whether this applies to fireworks or not, left as an exercise to the reader.
- ysavir 3y agoI'm not following you. Lead them to what?
- elijahbenizzy 3y agoThis is tactical in nature. In a democracy, you need to find a coalition to support what you want (either directly to vote for it, or indirectly to pressure their representatives). All decisions of this sort come from a passionate group of people. I'm suggesting dog owners. This does not extend to how to make decisions.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoBest argument is everyone is given a free vision pro to enjoy sparkles in a quiet dark closet :D
- DueDilligence 3y ago[dead]
- TylerE 3y agoWhat's funny to me is that people will get upset about dogs and fireworks, but are just fine with outdoor cats killing literally billions of native animals a year.
- elijahbenizzy 3y agoOh don't get me started on outdoor cats...