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Foreign Policy is a trash site, since its inception. I'm no AI stan, but in no manner is AI similar to file sharing. The article amounts to legacy media whinin

Foreign Policy is a trash site, since its inception. I'm no AI stan, but in no manner is AI similar to file sharing. The article amounts to legacy media whining about their moat.

__loam 3y ago
It seems pretty ignorant to expect rights holders to lay down and die while your use their data to make massively profitable systems.
- mrangle 3y ago
  "Ignorant" is strong language given that for-profit media companies, who are complaining, are rarely citing let alone paying their sources. The takeaway not being that they should start, but that their complaint is likely on shaky ground.
- drekk 3y ago
  I think it's pretty rational given capitalism's explicit focus on short-term profit at the expense of negative externalities. Workers are replaceable. The US outsourced its manufacturing sector. Now the same people who oversaw that process would like to outsource the service sector. I'm not a fan of the status quo, but it's clearly functioning as designed. The cruelty of this mostly affecting individual artists and their ability to generate a living rather than behemoths like Disney is absolutely the point.
jazzyjackson 3y ago
it's absolutely similar to file sharing, a bunch of free riders who rationalize that an extra copy of spider-man never hurt anybody
- mrangle 3y ago
  By that logic when you regurgitate a summary of your understanding of anything, you are potentially violating the copyright of your sources. Or when a writer plys their trade, the same. Now what if they charge for the article? Much of what Ai is ingesting is on the web for the purpose of ingestion.
  - taskforcegemini 3y ago
    >Much of what Ai is ingesting is on the web for the purpose of ingestion. ingestion/consumption by humans, not automated ingestion for the purpose of reselling. the economics would not work longterm.
    - mrangle 3y ago
      Humans ingest said inforrmation, and then write further articles based on it to resell. The economics may not work, but my point is that media companies are going to have a lot of difficulty in parsing exactly who and what is able to utilize published information; and how they / it are permitted to utilize it. In the end, their economics won't be factored.

Foreign Policy is a trash site, since its inception. I'm no AI stan, but in no manner is AI similar to file sharing. The article amounts to legacy media whining about their moat.

__loam 3y ago

It seems pretty ignorant to expect rights holders to lay down and die while your use their data to make massively profitable systems.

mrangle 3y ago
"Ignorant" is strong language given that for-profit media companies, who are complaining, are rarely citing let alone paying their sources. The takeaway not being that they should start, but that their complaint is likely on shaky ground.
drekk 3y ago
I think it's pretty rational given capitalism's explicit focus on short-term profit at the expense of negative externalities. Workers are replaceable. The US outsourced its manufacturing sector. Now the same people who oversaw that process would like to outsource the service sector. I'm not a fan of the status quo, but it's clearly functioning as designed. The cruelty of this mostly affecting individual artists and their ability to generate a living rather than behemoths like Disney is absolutely the point.

jazzyjackson 3y ago

it's absolutely similar to file sharing, a bunch of free riders who rationalize that an extra copy of spider-man never hurt anybody

mrangle 3y ago
By that logic when you regurgitate a summary of your understanding of anything, you are potentially violating the copyright of your sources. Or when a writer plys their trade, the same. Now what if they charge for the article? Much of what Ai is ingesting is on the web for the purpose of ingestion.
- taskforcegemini 3y ago
  >Much of what Ai is ingesting is on the web for the purpose of ingestion. ingestion/consumption by humans, not automated ingestion for the purpose of reselling. the economics would not work longterm.
  - mrangle 3y ago
    Humans ingest said inforrmation, and then write further articles based on it to resell. The economics may not work, but my point is that media companies are going to have a lot of difficulty in parsing exactly who and what is able to utilize published information; and how they / it are permitted to utilize it. In the end, their economics won't be factored.