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There's apparently a poster of Mickcy wearing gloves in full color from the same year Steamboat Willie came out (1928). Does this mean that full color gloved M

by ajdude 3y ago

There's apparently a poster of Mickcy wearing gloves in full color from the same year Steamboat Willie came out (1928). Does this mean that full color gloved Mickcy is also in the public domain? https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mickey-mouse-poster_n_2149610 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mickey-mouse-poster_n_2149610

zozbot234 3y ago
Is this really in the same year? Wiki shows a black/white poster with the mouse wearing light gloves, then later in the article a color version from 1978.
- ajdude 3y ago
  Definitely seems to be from 1928: https://movieposters.ha.com/itm/movie-posters/animation/mickey-mouse-stock-poster-celebrity-productions-1928-one-sheet-27-x-41-/a/7067-83117.s https://movieposters.ha.com/itm/movie-posters/animation/mick...
josho 3y ago
Disney has modern Mickey wrapped up in trademarks. It will be very interesting watching what Disney does when inevitably derivative works stray from steamboat Willie and approach the appearance of modern mickey. Disney has been preparing for this day.
- sangnoir 3y ago
  I suspect that is why Disney has been using Steamboat Willy as its production logo in recent years. Let's wait to see how it shakes out in the courts - but perhaps the threats will be enough.
  - hbs18 3y ago
    They might have a harder time fighting the use of Steamboat Willy considering that a trademark has less restrictions on its use than a copyrighted work.
    - sangnoir 3y ago
      That they get to fight at all may be the reasoning.
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  Seems like an awfully dangerous game to play imo.
  - jabl 3y ago
    Isn't that the point? Disney counts on having more $$$ and more lawyers than some random artist who might or might not have intruded on the remaining copyrights? So they can bully the artist into submission regardless of whether they are right or not.
    - jncfhnb 3y ago
      They can do so, for minimal gain. And it’s possible they’ll lose despite $$$ which would be worse than having done nothing.
  - User23 3y ago
    The legal metagame around intellectual property has little to do with law as written and much to do with burying your opponent in spurious motions until they run out of money to defend. Odds are good Disney wins that fight against most comers.
SloopJon 3y ago
The estimated value of $20K seems low, unless it's in poor condition and/or there are many other copies around. Google says the same auction house sold one for $100K in 2012: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE8AT04H/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE8AT04H/

by ajdude 3y ago

zozbot234 3y ago

Is this really in the same year? Wiki shows a black/white poster with the mouse wearing light gloves, then later in the article a color version from 1978.

ajdude 3y ago
Definitely seems to be from 1928: https://movieposters.ha.com/itm/movie-posters/animation/mickey-mouse-stock-poster-celebrity-productions-1928-one-sheet-27-x-41-/a/7067-83117.s https://movieposters.ha.com/itm/movie-posters/animation/mick...

josho 3y ago

Disney has modern Mickey wrapped up in trademarks. It will be very interesting watching what Disney does when inevitably derivative works stray from steamboat Willie and approach the appearance of modern mickey. Disney has been preparing for this day.

sangnoir 3y ago
I suspect that is why Disney has been using Steamboat Willy as its production logo in recent years. Let's wait to see how it shakes out in the courts - but perhaps the threats will be enough.
- hbs18 3y ago
  They might have a harder time fighting the use of Steamboat Willy considering that a trademark has less restrictions on its use than a copyrighted work.
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    That they get to fight at all may be the reasoning.
jncfhnb 3y ago
Seems like an awfully dangerous game to play imo.
- jabl 3y ago
  Isn't that the point? Disney counts on having more $$$ and more lawyers than some random artist who might or might not have intruded on the remaining copyrights? So they can bully the artist into submission regardless of whether they are right or not.
  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    They can do so, for minimal gain. And it’s possible they’ll lose despite $$$ which would be worse than having done nothing.
- User23 3y ago
  The legal metagame around intellectual property has little to do with law as written and much to do with burying your opponent in spurious motions until they run out of money to defend. Odds are good Disney wins that fight against most comers.

SloopJon 3y ago

The estimated value of $20K seems low, unless it's in poor condition and/or there are many other copies around. Google says the same auction house sold one for $100K in 2012: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE8AT04H/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE8AT04H/