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- nmstoker 3y agoThe Tinboard tool for working with the Pinboard bookmarking service, which he mentions in the blog, also seems pretty cool. https://blog.davep.org/2023/12/19/tinboard.html https://blog.davep.org/2023/12/19/tinboard.html
- asicsp 3y agoSee also: https://github.com/aome510/hackernews-TUI https://github.com/aome510/hackernews-TUI Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26929588 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26929588 (160 points | April 25, 2021 | 31 comments)
- bobsmooth 3y ago[flagged]
- sixstringtheory 3y agoI don’t think that’s why they did this, considering they added the ability to view comments.
- SonOfLilit 3y agoPersonally, if a link sounds interesting, I go directly to the hn comments, and only rarely do I click the link itself. This is the best comment section on the internet, not sure what there is to be frustrated about. (Thanks pg and dang for putting so much effort in keeping it this way!)
- NhanH 3y agoHN is a giant echo chamber. Some people dislikes any and all echo chamber, regardless of the bias. And then you have people disliking the slant of HN's echo chamber as well. To put it another way, HN as a whole has strong opinions on a lot of things. And anyone or anything with strong opinions will have people disliking them, for better or worse :-)
- gosub100 3y agoI see it as a giant argument chamber. You can't say the "sky is blue" without someone asking you for sources or ackchually-ing you because an eclipse darkens the sky, etc. People deliberately take the most disingenuous reading of commentary and respond to it to make the poster look as stupid or insecure as possible. I can't see how that is an echo chamber. (and I see the irony in opposing your statement here, while making the claim that most comments are disagreements). I will concede, however, that certain topics (teslas, apple, among others) there is a hive mind that will downvote viciously if you hit a nerve.
- NhanH 3y agoThose arguments are just another echo chamber where the echoing content itself is meta rather than specific. So instead of "X is Y", it's more like "you should use method Z to determine whether X is Y". It's just the same breed of "correlation is not causation", "more critical thinking is needed", or "citation needed" as you mentioned.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y agoWhat topics and conclusions do you often see echoed here? I don’t mean to agree or disagree with the statement, just curious about your observations.
- cantSpellSober 3y agoOff the top of my head (please add): Any website with JS is bad Everything is cancel culture Startup culture is bad (ironic) Anything cryptocurrency is bad HN's design/layout is perfect Joe Rogan is a god SWEs are underpaid and not respected Everything is a cargo cult dang is a god Everything is a logical fallacy Vercel is evil Piracy is harmless and good Correlation never indicates causation Paywalls are bad except on my Substack I think Elon flipped from being worshipped to being hated Steve Jobs was a god Being a contrarian makes you smart Everything is virtue signalling
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- mcny 3y agoTwo things can be true at once. > This is the best comment section on the internet > I generally dislike the culture there, it's almost impossible to read any of the comments without being frustrated about the industry I work in or am adjacent to and some of the people who inhabit it Just because something is the best (or least bad) doesn't mean it is good. Dang does a good job (for the longest time, my personal conspiracy theory was dang is not one person but like one of those names used by a whole team). However, if you remember the silicon valley bank saga, it is clear that the people here only talk the talk when it isn't their own money on the line. We ridicule the New York financial industry but look at the comments here about making ALL depositors/creditors whole in the comments and the panicked tweets Garry Tan put out. I can't even imagine the strings they must have pulled behind the scenes. I think their criticism is fairly tame. Also, because of the nice firebase API, I think at this point writing a HN client is a rite of passage like print hello world (mine is in angular and performs terribly).
- mooreds 3y agoI do this about 60% of the time too. The comments are guaranteed to be a lightweight page and not ask me to approve cookies, notifications, etc as well. But the comments do have a tendency to get off track or discuss topics not applicable to the original post. Still can be valuable to read, though.
- sellmesoap 3y agoOr better yet, help me decide if it's worth turning JavaScript on, or find a link to an archived version!
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- lapcat 3y ago> I go directly to the hn comments, and only rarely do I click the link itself. > not sure what there is to be frustrated about. You actually just explained what there is to be frustrated about.
- antonvs 3y agoIt's absolutely incredible to see people proudly saying "only rarely do I click the link itself." They are not "part of the problem". They are the problem.
- celeritascelery 3y agoIf you are going to comment, then you should read the article. But most things posted here (especially by science and tech journalists) are not worth reading and you can get right to the actual information by looking at the comments. No need to read all that extra fluff from some content mill. If it still sounds interesting, then go read it.
- lapcat 3y ago> you can get right to the actual information by looking at the comments There's a tragedy of the commons here, where the majority is going to the comments first without reading the article, expecting the other commenters to inform them about the article. Given this common practice, what makes you think you can get right to the actual information by looking at the comments? They're often less reliable than the articles themselves.
- Hugsun 3y agoI don't see how that analogy applies. There is no depletable resource being exhausted. There is a Nash equilibrium where experts and those who are interested read/know the topic of the article and write some commentary about it. The most insightful comments usually receive more upvotes from everyone (including non-readers). reading the top comments is thus generally a good timesave to risk of being misinformed tradeoff that many users have decided to be worth taking. Being less reliable can be acceptable if it reduces the time to read by 10x or more.
- tchaffee 3y agoI'll probably get downvotes for telling the truth, but whatever, it deserves to be said even if folks only see it for a few hours. Our industry is still full of sexism and racism. Yes, things have gotten better. But most women in our industry can still tell you disturbing stories. We still have a long way to go. HN is a generally going to reflect our industry. Some days are better than others here and it really depends on the topic. But it's pretty disappointing when you do come across some blatant sexism or racism and folks agree with it. PG himself is occasionally an angry privileged man moaning about the woke mob so it's no surprise not much has changed here over the decades. The owners like it this way. PG and Dang also get a lot right about how to run a site like this. Both can be true.
- antonvs 3y ago> occasionally hahaha
- lapcat 3y ago> I'll probably get downvotes for For all X, saying "I'll probably get downvotes for" is an invitation to get downvoted.
- tchaffee 3y agoYes it is. I've been here for over a decade. But despite your tip, I'm still going to speak freely this one time.
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- ChrisMarshallNY 3y ago> sexism and racism I'd add "ageism" to the list. Just sayin'...
- tchaffee 3y agoI've been working in our industry for almost four decades. Yeah, ageism is an ugly part of our industry too.
- rco8786 3y agoI do the same. Maybe I’m just obtuse but I find this site to basically be the most civil, well meaning, and courteous place on the internet. Never understood the problems people have here.
- _cenw 3y agoI think it's born from contrast. Sometimes you'll see people comment on something you are more informed on (usually things outside tech) where the takes are just smart-sounding extrapolation but you don't have the mental fortitude to start a huge discussion under a comment that already veered into off-topic because you know there's a good change it'll be understood as starting a culture war mudfest (while the original comment usually is not, because there's either agreement or passive benefit of the doubt). They're just weird moments where you notice how unreflected a usually very reflected, educated and measured community can be, and if you're personally affected by that category misinformation that can be quite annoying.
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- cantSpellSober 3y ago> only rarely do I click the link itself This leads to a lot of comments where someone clearly just read the title. These comments lack nuance and often make some argument that was already addressed by the author of the post. (I'm guilty too, just sayin)
- brycewray 3y agoOr just use RSS? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- borg16 3y agothis was my thought too. I use miniflux and do exactly what his proposed use case is. might have been a handy pet project, but seems to be no different from an RSS reader other than the terminal vs. browser (for rss) difference
- lapcat 3y agohttps://hnrss.github.io https://hnrss.github.io is a great service.
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- 082349872349872 3y agoI use hnrss via newsboat for the sweet, sweet TUI experience.
- James_K 3y agoI don't personally see the use in a version of a link aggregator where you can't click on the links. In fact I don't see the use in a terminal version of a website. It's basically just a UI downgrade. TUIs are a combination of the worst parts of terminal and GUI software.
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- freetonik 3y agoRegarding the dislike of HN comments: while I understand how following the discussions can be frustrating sometimes, I still appreciate the level of moderation and sheer volume of relatively-well-written comments. I may disagree with them, or get triggered, but at least they were written with intent. Unlike HN, most of high-traffic forums on the public web today have low-effort comments populating discussions, thinks like tired jokes, emojis, puns, etc.
- ChrisMarshallNY 3y agoAbsolutely agree. This is the only social media in which I engage. It's helped me to become a better netizen.
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- jeleh 3y agoHacker News is refreshingly constructive compared to other discussion forums. Seriously! For example, the very popular German computer magazine c't has a news ticker where public contributions are allowed. Reading the comments there is extremely frustrating and depressing. Most posts almost always follow the same pattern: something in the news article is wrong or not clear enough, which is then complained about in a smug way. Next comes the wiseacre comments. If that's not enough, people express their own displeasure or negative view of something in connection with the article, in other words: rant. Keyboard warriors often have a rendezvous there. Information or constructive criticism is by now extremely rare there, at least compared to Hacker News. I've stopped reading the comments there! ...and that's exactly why I like being here and why I also enjoy reading your comments, because they often usefully complement the actual topic. :-)
- cushpush 3y agoFewer than 1% of the people on here are entrepreneurs, which is surprising to the uninitiated and common knowledge to the furniture in the room.
- sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y agoI can only imagine what OP dislikes about the comments - but I guess too few people trying to make money/running a business is not it.
- j4yav 3y agoThere's a whole menu of stereotypical HN commenters I could imagine someone having had enough of.
- sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y agoOh yea agreed, and I admit I’m often at fault for this as well. Some topics I tend to have an instant emotional reaction to and leave low quality ragebaiting comments - it’s hard to unlearn a decade of being trained to respond like this on places like facebook. Lately I strive to get better and often type out a comment, wait a minute reread it and then close the window. Often it’s best to just shut up.
- cushpush 3y agoEntrepreneurs have an empathy for one another that can have many aspects -- stoic philosophy, self-reliance, resourcefulness, resilience, motivating oneself and those around one. Founders have less time for banality)
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- figbert 3y agomy personal favorite hacker news tui: https://github.com/bensadeh/circumflex https://github.com/bensadeh/circumflex
- fikgm 3y ago[flagged]
- andrewstuart 3y ago[flagged]
- jes 3y agoI was somewhat reminded of Larry Wall's newsreader, 'rn', as I read the description of Orange Site Hit. I invested a lot of hours on Nutnews back in the day.
- mihaitodor 3y agoI guess I'm doing something wrong, but I installed it with pipx and it's saying "[Errno 8] nodename nor servname provided, or not known" when I launch it without loading any info.
- mihaitodor 3y agoOK, I think the issue is that it's making about 500 HTTP requests when it starts up and some of them are timing out...
- mihaitodor 3y agoThe issue is now fixed and v0.1.1 has been released: https://github.com/davep/oshit/issues/2 https://github.com/davep/oshit/issues/2 The maintainer is amazing! Thank you Dave! <3
- davepdotorg 3y agoMost welcome. And thanks for alerting me to the oversight.
- ChrisArchitect 3y agoWhat does the word Hit reference in the title? The terminal interface? Or that it's a "dose" of HN? More descriptive title would have been handy: Terminal client for the Orange Site or something
- thinkingemote 3y ago"It's there for when you're in the terminal you just need your hit of the orange site."
- ChrisArchitect 3y agoAh damn k thx
- thinkingemote 3y agono worries. I had the same kind of thought about the title too!
- nixgeek 3y agoIt also means he can call the project “oshit”, which has some humorous value.
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- cassepipe 3y ago> I generally dislike the culture there, it's almost impossible to read any of the comments without being frustrated about the industry I work in or am adjacent to and some of the people who inhabit it; From time to time I read (unsubstantiated) comments like that line from this post but I really fail to understand what are the expectations. The only "culture" I see in HN are the guidelines, sort of a constitution in order to avoid problems that appear on other platforms. What's wrong with that ? Of course you are going to find people you don't agree with for many reasons just like... in the real world. Now if you're talking about the demographics, well sure, a lot of people working with computers, but that's only a homogeneous population depending on the level you are looking at it. This is where I fail to understand the expectations. I don't come to HN to be part of a homogeneous culture of people who think like me and validate me, I come here to read the wide variety of (substantiated) takes and learn about cool stuff.
- every 3y agoAs an exercise in textually navigating the site I have logged on in my antique lynx browser to see if I can comment as well... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(web_browser) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(web_browser)
- every 3y agoSeems to work fine...
- shiomiru 3y agoI usually view HN and blogs using a TUI web browser I develop: https://sr.ht/~bptato/chawan/ https://sr.ht/~bptato/chawan/ It understands CSS, so it can show HN in its full orangeness :) Also, it has color contrast correction by default, so downvoted comments are readable. (If you enable JS, even thread collapsing works. But JS breaks upvoting, because images are not supported yet and JS-enabled HN upvoting is implemented using the Image constructor.) w3m also works well with HN, but you have to enable images for comment nesting to work. (Otherwise it ignores the spacer gifs.)
- mrusme 3y agoShameless plug: Neon Modem Overdrive [1] supports HN, for anyone looking for a Go single-binary multi-platform TUI. [1] https://neonmodem.com https://neonmodem.com
- chucksmash 3y agoLove the way you framed the demo TUI screen at the bottom of the page. Great touch.
- mrusme 3y agoThank you!
- rokkitmensch 3y agoSpectacular website.
- mrusme 3y agoThanks!