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Steamboat Willie [video]
- anjel 3y agoI'm on the west coast of the US and it's 11:38pm Dec 31st so someone "jumped the gun" posting this by at least 90 minutes.
- krackers 3y agoWhich timezone is used for copyright purposes?
- ronsor 3y agoI have no idea, but I'd assume the timezone of Washington D.C.?
- anjel 3y agoFWIW, the expiring copyright holder has its headquarters in Burbank,CA.
- concordDance 3y agoWould it be them or the timezone the copyright creator was in when the work was finished (thus getting copyright)?
- midasuni 3y agoImagine if the date at the end was when the copyright owner had agreed for it to enter public domain, thus meaning it couldn’t be retroactively extended.
- Mountain_Skies 3y agoMy wild guess is that if someone filed a copyright claim based on time zone, whatever court the claim was filed with would tell them to stop making frivolous claims.
- xdennis 3y agoThere's a 4K transfer version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jap-UBbmPsw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jap-UBbmPsw . Looks a bit AI though.
- laborcontract 3y agoArgument against it being a pure AI upres is that the signage at 3:05 accurately says "Podunk Landing" and "Tickets".
- speps 3y agoAI super resolution can do text with no issues, it "only" "fills in" the missing pixels so the overall shape of things is the same, just smoother.
- 8organicbits 3y agoThat approach is problematic with text. If you take a blurry version of the word "apple", you can't be sure if the text should be "apple" or "appie" as the "i" and "l" look too similar when blurred. Some scanners do this to get clean crisp letters and end up fixing typos or making other substitutions. "Filling in pixels" is inherently guesswork and it's certainly not "issue free".
- speps 3y agoAgreed, but what I replied to implied that there would be issues like Stable Diffusion not being able to write words correctly.
- thaliaarchi 3y agoFilm can be physically re-scanned at a higher digital resolution—no AI required. The title says “4k Film Transfer”, which suggests this.
- nabakin 3y agoLet's see if it's taken down
- j4yav 3y agoBased on what?
- amanaplanacanal 3y agoContentID maybe?
- nabakin 3y agoExactly. I guess I didn't add enough context for people to understand what I meant lol
- nabakin 3y agoYouTube's error-prone Content ID system. Despite being in the public domain now, YouTube may still take it down.
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- janwillemb 3y agoContext: the copyright for this movie expired; it is now public domain [1]. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-67833411 https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-67833411
- shmerl 3y agoCongrats! What else got freed this year?
- Nadya 3y agoTigger should be joining Winnie the Pooh if my memory serves me correctly.
- livrem 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_in_public_domain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_in_public_domain That is a start at least. International copyright of course is a complete mess and it is not obvious exactly what expiring copyrights in one country means elsewhere. J.R.R Tolkien's copyrights are listed as expired now in New Zeeland and a few other countries, but will remain in copyright in most countries for another 20+ years. Guess in NZ and the few other countries with life+50 copyright they can enjoy making their own new LoTR games or whatever, but they have to carefully limit distribution to not violate copyrights elsewhere? I think there were some issues like that a few years ago when Ian Fleming's copyrights expired in Canada and someone made a Bond movie or something that was illegal to import to the US?
- ChrisArchitect 3y agoRelated discussions from yesterday and earlier: Mickey, Disney, and the public domain: A 95-year love triangle Public Domain Day 2024 Is Coming: Here's What to Know Etc https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38826061 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38826061
- noman-land 3y agoApparently I've never watched this entire thing before because I did not know that Steamboat Willie is an animal abusing asshole.
- kragen 3y agobasically every cartoon animal is. tom? check. jerry? yeah, him too. wile e. coyote? to the extreme, if ineptly. this is the cartoon version of three stooges humor
- labster 3y agoDonald Duck isn’t, and his Uncle Scrooge would rather abuse his workforce than animals.
- curtisblaine 3y ago(Although his workforce is 100% composed of animals)
- orthoxerox 3y agoDisney's workforce is 100% composed of animals, too.
- dennis_jeeves2 3y agoHomo Corporatus, a very lowly animal indeed.
- patwolf 3y agoEver see the episode where Donald makes his nephews smoke cigars until they're sick?
- mikeyouse 3y agoSo that’s where my uncles got the idea from..
- kragen 3y agoi'd never seen steamboat willie before; now that it's public domain in the usa, i have wp says: > In the 1950s, Disney removed a scene where Mickey tugs on the tails of the baby pigs, picks up the mother and kicks them off her teats, and plays her like an accordion, since television distributors deemed it inappropriate.[34] Since then, the full version of the film was included on the 1998 compilation VHS The Spirit of Mickey and the Walt Disney Treasures DVD set "Mickey Mouse in Black and White", as well as on Disney+. this version has the tugging on tails, but not the picking up and accordioning of the mother, so it's a falsified version the version xdennis linked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jap-UBbmPsw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jap-UBbmPsw in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38830369 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38830369 does have that full segment and is also clearer
- andrybak 3y agoThe version that was put on the Main Page of English Wikipedia today also has the accordion part: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:POTD/2024-01-01 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:POTD/2024-01-01
- throwup238 3y agoThat’s one sadistic cartoon…
- maximus-decimus 3y agoI just love those old pre-hays-code movies. The Hay's code brought censorship from the movie industry in 1934 because they were afraid the government would step in otherwise. The fact there's no censorship just makes them so raw.
- safety1st 3y agoMeanwhile, continuing down the rabbit hole of corporate psychopathy: Clicks link to view video Confronted by blocked video with the message "Ad blockers are not allowed on YouTube," even though he turned off his ad blocker a week ago Changes URL to onion.tube to view it there Confronted by a message saying that YouTube is currently attempting to block Invidious instances, so this video can't be viewed Clicks Switch Invidious Instance Finally watches the video ...I guess the moral of this story is, soon we won't even need copyright law to stop us from watching all the things
- justinl33 3y agoI can't tell if people just love the idea of the public domain, hate Disney, or both.
- philipov 3y agoBoth. It's both. We hate Disney because we love the public domain.
- bigstrat2003 3y agoFor me it's... neither, I guess? I hate that Disney abused the political process to milk their cash cow for longer, but I don't hate Disney otherwise. I just am glad that we didn't get another Mickey Mouse protection act passed.
- khazhoux 3y agoI'll never understand the mentality where a random company not named Disney feels it's now entitled to profit from Mickey Mouse.
- maximus-decimus 3y agoHow do you feel about people who didn't create the English language being entitled to profit from being able to speak English? We progress because we're able to build on what previous generations built.
- boolemancer 3y agoThat's the thing about the public domain; it belongs to the public, not to any one company. I doubt you have any problem with people profiting off of Shakespeare, Mozart or fairy tales, so what is different about Mickey Mouse? How many of Disney's cartoons do you think were based on public domain works?
- chongli 3y agoDisney profited from the works of the Brothers Grimm, Hans Christian Andersen, Shakespeare, Osamu Tezuka, European and Chinese folklore, and many more sources. Great artists build upon the work of those who came before them. This is how it’s been for millennia. Why should Disney be the end of the line?
- dvh 3y agoDoes anybody knows what melody he plays at 6:31, I mean the very ending, the last 7 strokes on teeth.
- chasingthewind 3y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shave_and_a_Haircut https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shave_and_a_Haircut
- dvh 3y agoThat's it.
- tomcam 3y ago“Turkey in the Straw”. Here’s an equally weird version https://youtu.be/80AFN1L7_8Q?si=w2IU9ylyrcSLMJcr https://youtu.be/80AFN1L7_8Q?si=w2IU9ylyrcSLMJcr
- dvh 3y agoThat is the song he plays but after it ends, he adds 7 strokes that are not part of the Turkey in the straw.
- gattilorenz 3y agoThis? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shave_and_a_Haircut https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shave_and_a_Haircut
- kevinmchugh 3y agoHave you ever seen Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
- codetrotter 3y agoYou can watch it on Archive.org as well https://archive.org/details/SteamboatWillie https://archive.org/details/SteamboatWillie
- acd 3y agoAlso see us changing copyright law extending it years to keep Disney works like steamboat willie private in the past. "Under this Act, works made in 1923 or afterwards that were still protected by copyright in 1998 would not enter the public domain until January 1, 2019, or later. Mickey Mouse specifically, having first appeared in 1928 in Steamboat Willie, entered the public domain in 2024[5] or afterward (depending on the date of the product). Unlike copyright extension legislation in the European Union, the Sonny Bono Act did not revive copyrights that had already expired, and therefore is not retroactive in that sense" Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act "Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act – also known as the Copyright Term Extension Act" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act
- sillywalk 3y agoPrincipal Skinner: Copyright Expired https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbGio8FSdzY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbGio8FSdzY
- zozbot234 3y agoIs this video up to modern YouTube community standards? One of the tunes featured in it ("Turkey in the Straw") also circulated in well-known versions "Zip C..n" and "[N-WORD] Love a Wat.rm.lon, Ha! Ha! Ha!" Yup, surprisingly enough, these used to be considered "funny, entertaining" lyrics back then. A very disappointing chapter of American social history.
- concordDance 3y agoWhy would a tune matter? Are there lyrics in it? Or is this some sort of "evil by association"/law of contagion thing?
- wegfawefgawefg 3y agowhy did you censor "watermelon"? xD
- pastacacioepepe 3y agoDon't try to change history, learn from it. That's why it's important to stop the censorship of old media that doesn't fit modern standards.
- nkrisc 3y agoBut none of that is in the video, so I guess that answers your question.
- Affric 3y agoThose lyrics aren’t in the piece nor are they the original lyrics of to the tune. I can say with confidence most popular tunes of the 20th C have been sung with bigoted lyrics in various context. You only have to think to football matches. The more interesting angle is minstrel vibes that I get watching it.
- klyrs 3y agoThe piece does have history. When "zip coon" was written, "coon" was used to describe Whigs (american politicians, ergo white men). It wasn't a slur for another decade or two. But then that overt racist version? It came out in 1916, and Columbia continued promoting the song until 1925 -- three years before Steamboat Willy came out. Those "minstrel vibes" aren't just vibes. Minstrel shows were big money at that time in history, and the use of Turkey in the Straw is part and parcel. What lyrics were the audience at the time most familiar with? That seems much more relevant than the original lyrics.
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- LightBug1 3y agoOk, the captain kicking his own ass was funny! Hadn't seen this before. Welcome to the public domain.
- kevinmchugh 3y agoIt was obvious for at least the last year that this would enter the public domain, probably more like 2 or 3 years. And yet I reliably saw cynicism suggesting that Disney would be able to get another copyright extension passed. Disney wasn't even pursuing that.
- KHRZ 3y agoThey still claimed to own Steamboat Willie when I uploaded it today to Facebook though.
- HanClinto 3y agoSame -- I got the same strike when I uploaded it to my FB account. I've opened a dispute, and we'll see what happens.
- Mountain_Skies 3y agoDisney knows it doesn't have Congress in its back pocket right now so there was no point in wasting resources on trying to get copyright extended again even if they really wish they could.
- ltbarcly3 3y agoIt's a testament to how large media interests have totally dominated our copyright system that people are so excited about this completely worthless, 100 year old, antiquated garbage being released into the public domain is considered a big deal. The entire Disney canon would be in the public domain if the duration of copyright hadn't been extended again and again and again and again. It is 95 (up to 120) years after creation or the death of the author plus 70 years. This is absolutely absurd and serves no public interest. It only serves to benefit huge media companies that have purchased our entire shared heritage's back-catalog and survive largely by leasing it back to us over and over and over.
- beefman 3y agoBetter quality: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Steamboat_Willie_(1928)_by_Walt_Disney.webm https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Steamboat_Willie_(19...