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I definitely do not like HTMX, that much is true. Does that make me a hater? I'm reading what you're saying, and it's very clear that you do not understand wha

I definitely do not like HTMX, that much is true. Does that make me a hater? I'm reading what you're saying, and it's very clear that you do not understand what frameworks like StimulusReflex and LiveView do for you. There is no fair comparison between HTMX and frameworks that ship with a server-side infrastructure for maintaining a long-lived, persistent connection. I won't mock you if you set aside your assumptions, investigate and have a moment of illumination.

listenallyall 3y ago
How is it clear that I don't understand those frameworks when I haven't said a word about them? I've commented exclusively on HTMX and its use cases, you're the only one making comparisons.
- peteforde 3y ago
  It's because you keep implying HTMX is a good choice, when there are vastly more powerful solutions in play. I know a guy who still insists that MS Access is the best database tool. His identity is fully wrapped up in this being true.
  - listenallyall 3y ago
    You have very poor reading comprehension. I never claimed HTMX was "the best." But yes, HTMX is a fantastic tool (and language agnostic), and the existence of other frameworks does not diminish its utility. If your only argument is to compare it to 30-year old Access/Jet, you're simply exposing your own lack of credibility and inherent irrelevance.
    - peteforde 3y ago
      Serious question: are you wickedly combative in all discussions, or just when you get the cold feeling that perhaps you might not know as much as you think you do? If you look through the progressive responses you've given, you resort less to actual technical points and more to personal attacks. It's weird. When you stop rage replying and take an honest look at how LiveView or StimulusReflex work - for you actually can build the next Figma with them - you'll see that the comparison between Access and a modern database is pretty apt. I'm specifically talking about a dramatically higher ceiling of possibility in terms of the problems that you can solve. If you'd rather exhaust yourself trying to make personal attacks than level up your current local maximum perspective, there's really nothing else I can tell you.
      - listenallyall 3y ago
        Oh jeez, quit with the self-righteousness, each of your comments contains some passive-aggressive dig (HTMX = Access, HTMX is for "a landing page", I need "illumination"). You haven't stated a single "actual technical point" either. Let it go.
        peteforde 3y ago
        You don't have to like what I'm saying for it to be true. If two people set out to build something like Figma - one in HTMX and one in LiveView - only one is going to ship. That's not passive aggressive. It is as you say, an actual technical point.
        recursivedoubts 3y ago
        if someone asked me if they should build figma in htmx, I would say no: https://htmx.org/essays/when-to-use-hypermedia/ https://htmx.org/essays/when-to-use-hypermedia/

listenallyall 3y ago

How is it clear that I don't understand those frameworks when I haven't said a word about them? I've commented exclusively on HTMX and its use cases, you're the only one making comparisons.

peteforde 3y ago
It's because you keep implying HTMX is a good choice, when there are vastly more powerful solutions in play. I know a guy who still insists that MS Access is the best database tool. His identity is fully wrapped up in this being true.
- listenallyall 3y ago
  You have very poor reading comprehension. I never claimed HTMX was "the best." But yes, HTMX is a fantastic tool (and language agnostic), and the existence of other frameworks does not diminish its utility. If your only argument is to compare it to 30-year old Access/Jet, you're simply exposing your own lack of credibility and inherent irrelevance.
  - peteforde 3y ago
    Serious question: are you wickedly combative in all discussions, or just when you get the cold feeling that perhaps you might not know as much as you think you do? If you look through the progressive responses you've given, you resort less to actual technical points and more to personal attacks. It's weird. When you stop rage replying and take an honest look at how LiveView or StimulusReflex work - for you actually can build the next Figma with them - you'll see that the comparison between Access and a modern database is pretty apt. I'm specifically talking about a dramatically higher ceiling of possibility in terms of the problems that you can solve. If you'd rather exhaust yourself trying to make personal attacks than level up your current local maximum perspective, there's really nothing else I can tell you.
    - listenallyall 3y ago
      Oh jeez, quit with the self-righteousness, each of your comments contains some passive-aggressive dig (HTMX = Access, HTMX is for "a landing page", I need "illumination"). You haven't stated a single "actual technical point" either. Let it go.
      - peteforde 3y ago
        You don't have to like what I'm saying for it to be true. If two people set out to build something like Figma - one in HTMX and one in LiveView - only one is going to ship. That's not passive aggressive. It is as you say, an actual technical point.
        recursivedoubts 3y ago
        if someone asked me if they should build figma in htmx, I would say no: https://htmx.org/essays/when-to-use-hypermedia/ https://htmx.org/essays/when-to-use-hypermedia/