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Don't know if Smale is a good example to use, since he did this 75 years ago! Back then the CUNY schools had similarly impressive graduates due to quotas at the

Don't know if Smale is a good example to use, since he did this 75 years ago! Back then the CUNY schools had similarly impressive graduates due to quotas at the elite schools. And Michigan is also a public ivy, though I'll concede it's more achievable to get into Michigan compared to Princeton (far more egalitarian in this regard). I'll be honest, I'm sure there are some high achievers that missed out, but I haven't met a single one. Most very high achieving people I know that didn't go to top schools at least got into one (and usually multiple). I don't think there's any hope for my class of people.

ken47 3y ago
You mean like Steve Jobs who, by your definition, didn’t go to a top school, but is more highly regarded than 99.99% of graduates of top schools?
- laidoffamazon 3y ago
  Reed is a pretty selective and well regarded school, unlike the schools I got into.
  - ken47 3y ago
    It’s nowhere near the stature or notoriety of Princeton, Harvard, Yale, etc. It feels like you’re moving the goalpost. Anyway, maybe you should change the way you measure yourself.
    - laidoffamazon 3y ago
      How else would I? Seems pretty clear how society views people like me
      - ken47 3y ago
        I don't know what subset of society you live in, but the university you attended is not commonly brought up in America. If you're referring to your intellectual aptitude rather than the credentials attached to your name, just try to be a good person and do the best you can with what you've got.
        laidoffamazon 3y ago
        > but the university you attended is not commonly brought up in America. yes, it is, and it's seen as a proxy for intellectual aptitude And clearly since I have no intellectual aptitude...
        ken47 3y ago
        I’ve lived in America all my life, and it isn’t commonly brought up in my American peer group. You’re also conflating the perception of intellect with the actual possession of it. It seems like you don’t have much confident in your measure of either. Maybe find a therapist. Help with this is beyond the scope of HN comments. There are countless people who have not attended a top tier college, e.g. people who might be regarded as “intellectually inferior” who are richer than you and I. Meditate on that.

ken47 3y ago

You mean like Steve Jobs who, by your definition, didn’t go to a top school, but is more highly regarded than 99.99% of graduates of top schools?

laidoffamazon 3y ago
Reed is a pretty selective and well regarded school, unlike the schools I got into.
- ken47 3y ago
  It’s nowhere near the stature or notoriety of Princeton, Harvard, Yale, etc. It feels like you’re moving the goalpost. Anyway, maybe you should change the way you measure yourself.
  - laidoffamazon 3y ago
    How else would I? Seems pretty clear how society views people like me
    - ken47 3y ago
      I don't know what subset of society you live in, but the university you attended is not commonly brought up in America. If you're referring to your intellectual aptitude rather than the credentials attached to your name, just try to be a good person and do the best you can with what you've got.
      - laidoffamazon 3y ago
        > but the university you attended is not commonly brought up in America. yes, it is, and it's seen as a proxy for intellectual aptitude And clearly since I have no intellectual aptitude...
        ken47 3y ago
        I’ve lived in America all my life, and it isn’t commonly brought up in my American peer group. You’re also conflating the perception of intellect with the actual possession of it. It seems like you don’t have much confident in your measure of either. Maybe find a therapist. Help with this is beyond the scope of HN comments. There are countless people who have not attended a top tier college, e.g. people who might be regarded as “intellectually inferior” who are richer than you and I. Meditate on that.