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I don’t think there is a single car manufacturer that doesn’t allow you to drive without your seatbelt on. What point are you making?

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mikem69 3y ago
That we should be allowed to drive our own cars without being annoyed by these terrible systems? I’ve avoided the new Lexus vehicles as their eye tracking is horrible - just glancing down to get a drink will set off alarms. Now they’ve made my Tesla just as bad - my drive yesterday had an alert every 10 seconds or so, from “pay attention to the road” to “autopilot speed limited”. Very dangerous and distracting.
fragmede 3y ago
"allowed"... I mean, all it does is beep at you, and some manufacturers offer a way to turn that off by inputting a code.
ajhurliman 3y ago
Yes, that’s the point, everyone has these expectations of Tesla to make it impossible to circumvent safety features, but the same standard isn’t applied to other car manufacturers; HN just loves to bash on anything related to Elon.
- acdha 3y ago
  > the same standard isn’t applied to other car manufacturers This belief is hard to reconcile with the Cruise threads. What you’re actually seeing is that other companies aren’t hyping their technology so far in advance of its actual capabilities. If Toyota sold “full self driving” as an expensive add-on and failed to ship it over the time most people owned the vehicle, you’d see plenty of ragging on them, too. The contrast is especially noticeable when you look at what the market leaders are doing. Waymo owns their vehicles fully and isn’t claiming they’re suitable for general use everywhere, every time. Mercedes has an L3 system far in advance of Tesla but they only offer it in certain conditions and back it with insurance. If Tesla’s product was where their marketing claims it is, they’d do the same.
- qarl 3y ago
  > HN just loves to bash on anything related to Elon. I dunno man. In my experience, the community of people who are very very very unhappy with Elon is far larger than just HN.

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mikem69 3y ago

That we should be allowed to drive our own cars without being annoyed by these terrible systems? I’ve avoided the new Lexus vehicles as their eye tracking is horrible - just glancing down to get a drink will set off alarms. Now they’ve made my Tesla just as bad - my drive yesterday had an alert every 10 seconds or so, from “pay attention to the road” to “autopilot speed limited”. Very dangerous and distracting.

fragmede 3y ago

"allowed"... I mean, all it does is beep at you, and some manufacturers offer a way to turn that off by inputting a code.

ajhurliman 3y ago

Yes, that’s the point, everyone has these expectations of Tesla to make it impossible to circumvent safety features, but the same standard isn’t applied to other car manufacturers; HN just loves to bash on anything related to Elon.

acdha 3y ago
> the same standard isn’t applied to other car manufacturers This belief is hard to reconcile with the Cruise threads. What you’re actually seeing is that other companies aren’t hyping their technology so far in advance of its actual capabilities. If Toyota sold “full self driving” as an expensive add-on and failed to ship it over the time most people owned the vehicle, you’d see plenty of ragging on them, too. The contrast is especially noticeable when you look at what the market leaders are doing. Waymo owns their vehicles fully and isn’t claiming they’re suitable for general use everywhere, every time. Mercedes has an L3 system far in advance of Tesla but they only offer it in certain conditions and back it with insurance. If Tesla’s product was where their marketing claims it is, they’d do the same.
qarl 3y ago
> HN just loves to bash on anything related to Elon. I dunno man. In my experience, the community of people who are very very very unhappy with Elon is far larger than just HN.