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And yet every single person who says this continues to lock the door when they sit down to use the restroom in public. They're doing nothing wrong. They have n

And yet every single person who says this continues to lock the door when they sit down to use the restroom in public. They're doing nothing wrong. They have nothing to hide. Everyone knows what they're up to. And yet, they have this strange, inexplicable desire for privacy in spite of those three things!

deaddodo 3y ago
> They have nothing to hide. Most people would take umbrage with this portion of your argument. They clearly do have something to hide; whether it's from shame, embarrassment or politeness.
pests 3y ago
It's just social expectations. No one wants to see it. Please don't allow yourself to be exposed to others, might even be children attempting to open the bathroom. Yet, walk into a gym changing room and you'll see balls swinging everywhere. They've done nothing wrong, nothing to hide, everyone knows what they are doing - but yet, they don't care about privacy?! Social expectations set privacy expectations. People conform to those expectations outside of their own desires or wants for privacy / non-privacy.
- anonym29 3y ago
  > Yet, walk into a gym changing room and you'll see balls swinging everywhere. They've done nothing wrong, nothing to hide, everyone knows what they are doing - but yet, they don't care about privacy?! As someone who's been to YMCA locker rooms in the 1990s, 2000s, 2010s, and in the 2020s, this is increasingly only true of the elderly. I don't think I've seen anyone under 30 walking around outside of the showering area without a towel for years now. Another important distinction is that gymgoers in the changing rooms are free to choose whether to exercise their right to privacy, or to waive it, and there is not a corporation with a 9/10/11 digit valuation with entire teams of engineers dedicated to annihilating their privacy in pursuit of monetization. What carmakers are doing to the privacy of end users is not terribly dissimilar from gyms prohibiting the use of towels / bathing suits in changing rooms, punishable with loss of contractual rights you had as a customer of the gym for the first violation, like getting financial recourse if the gym fails to abide by their contractual duties. And yet almost nobody seems to think this is enough of a problem to stop going to that gym, which of course will only encourage the gym to roll out even more bizarre, draconian infringements on the privacy and freedom of their clientele.

deaddodo 3y ago

> They have nothing to hide. Most people would take umbrage with this portion of your argument. They clearly do have something to hide; whether it's from shame, embarrassment or politeness.

pests 3y ago

It's just social expectations. No one wants to see it. Please don't allow yourself to be exposed to others, might even be children attempting to open the bathroom. Yet, walk into a gym changing room and you'll see balls swinging everywhere. They've done nothing wrong, nothing to hide, everyone knows what they are doing - but yet, they don't care about privacy?! Social expectations set privacy expectations. People conform to those expectations outside of their own desires or wants for privacy / non-privacy.

anonym29 3y ago
> Yet, walk into a gym changing room and you'll see balls swinging everywhere. They've done nothing wrong, nothing to hide, everyone knows what they are doing - but yet, they don't care about privacy?! As someone who's been to YMCA locker rooms in the 1990s, 2000s, 2010s, and in the 2020s, this is increasingly only true of the elderly. I don't think I've seen anyone under 30 walking around outside of the showering area without a towel for years now. Another important distinction is that gymgoers in the changing rooms are free to choose whether to exercise their right to privacy, or to waive it, and there is not a corporation with a 9/10/11 digit valuation with entire teams of engineers dedicated to annihilating their privacy in pursuit of monetization. What carmakers are doing to the privacy of end users is not terribly dissimilar from gyms prohibiting the use of towels / bathing suits in changing rooms, punishable with loss of contractual rights you had as a customer of the gym for the first violation, like getting financial recourse if the gym fails to abide by their contractual duties. And yet almost nobody seems to think this is enough of a problem to stop going to that gym, which of course will only encourage the gym to roll out even more bizarre, draconian infringements on the privacy and freedom of their clientele.