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> Crime in a lot of places in the United States is so bad right now Citation needed. Crime rates have been falling for decades. [1] I have no doubt there are

> Crime in a lot of places in the United States is so bad right now Citation needed. Crime rates have been falling for decades. [1] I have no doubt there are individual areas with high crime, and for those isolated pockets, people could opt-in to buying and installing tracking devices on their vehicles. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

kyledrake 3y ago
One of many articles on the topic https://www.axios.com/2023/07/20/car-thefts-2023-kia-hyundai-crime-data https://www.axios.com/2023/07/20/car-thefts-2023-kia-hyundai...
- pc86 3y ago
  Property crime as a whole is decreasing even when accounting for this spike of a very specific sub-sub-category. All this does is prove that other crimes are decreasing so much that this largely irrelevant sub-sub-category (most people do not own Kias or Hyundais as they're pretty terrible vehicles) increase is more than completely wiped out.
  - rrr_oh_man 3y ago
    > people do not own Kias or Hyundais as they're pretty terrible vehicles It seems to me that both Kia and Hyundai are in the Top 10 of new car sales in the US. https://www.carlogos.org/popular-car-brands/ https://www.carlogos.org/popular-car-brands/ From my anecdotal experience, Hyundais are excellent rental cars. And pretty popular as used cars here in Europe, too.
sbuk 3y ago
Property theft has been on the decline while the use of device tracking technologies, among other simple deterrents and measures, have simultaneously been increasing. Correlation?
- speed_spread 3y ago
  That could correlate with a number of things, including the elimination of lead-based additives in gasoline, increasing the general IQ.
  - sbuk 3y ago
    Fair. However, applying Occam’s razor, I’d suggest tracking has more impact than the removal of lead from fuels.
    - speed_spread 3y ago
      Considering the lack of interest by police in following stolen tracked vehicles and arresting car thiefs, I'm not so sure that the tech is a significant factor in crime reduction.
      - rrr_oh_man 3y ago
        Thanks for reminding me of the heartbreaking loss of my iPhone 4 that ended up on another continent.

kyledrake 3y ago

One of many articles on the topic https://www.axios.com/2023/07/20/car-thefts-2023-kia-hyundai-crime-data https://www.axios.com/2023/07/20/car-thefts-2023-kia-hyundai...

pc86 3y ago
Property crime as a whole is decreasing even when accounting for this spike of a very specific sub-sub-category. All this does is prove that other crimes are decreasing so much that this largely irrelevant sub-sub-category (most people do not own Kias or Hyundais as they're pretty terrible vehicles) increase is more than completely wiped out.
- rrr_oh_man 3y ago
  > people do not own Kias or Hyundais as they're pretty terrible vehicles It seems to me that both Kia and Hyundai are in the Top 10 of new car sales in the US. https://www.carlogos.org/popular-car-brands/ https://www.carlogos.org/popular-car-brands/ From my anecdotal experience, Hyundais are excellent rental cars. And pretty popular as used cars here in Europe, too.

sbuk 3y ago

Property theft has been on the decline while the use of device tracking technologies, among other simple deterrents and measures, have simultaneously been increasing. Correlation?

speed_spread 3y ago
That could correlate with a number of things, including the elimination of lead-based additives in gasoline, increasing the general IQ.
- sbuk 3y ago
  Fair. However, applying Occam’s razor, I’d suggest tracking has more impact than the removal of lead from fuels.
  - speed_spread 3y ago
    Considering the lack of interest by police in following stolen tracked vehicles and arresting car thiefs, I'm not so sure that the tech is a significant factor in crime reduction.
    - rrr_oh_man 3y ago
      Thanks for reminding me of the heartbreaking loss of my iPhone 4 that ended up on another continent.