And indeed decades ago when i used CF, some developers would move to files that had all CF logic and no HTML, for an MVC-kind of setup where only the V was HTML

And indeed decades ago when i used CF, some developers would move to files that had all CF logic and no HTML, for an MVC-kind of setup where only the V was HTML with embeds. Similar to the trend in PHP. (I stopped using it nearly 20 years ago and don't know what has happened since). I would agree that PHP and CF (at least CF of 20 years ago) are pretty similar conceptually.