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The part I found most interesting is that it still activates on roads that its mapping system knows aren’t suitable, and that the smiley face sticker is enough
by acdha 3y ago
The part I found most interesting is that it still activates on roads that its mapping system knows aren’t suitable, and that the smiley face sticker is enough to fool their driver attention tracking system. Mercedes seems to have a much more mature engineering culture around safety.
- Zetobal 3y agoI bet there is a rule at tesla (which is not in writing) to keep workarounds and loopholes like these intentionally open. There is no other reasonable explanation for them to do the shit they do.
- acdha 3y agoYeah, this is what you do when you disagree with the policy and are doing the bare minimum to say you’re in compliance.
- Grazester 3y agoI feel like this is absolutely what is happening. I wish they would be fined an absurd amount to teach them a lesson. The public roads aren't your proving grounds
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoWon't someone please think of the poor $TSLA shareholders?
- rad_gruchalski 3y agoMove fast and break things.
- qarl 3y agoBones, lives, etc..
- ajhurliman 3y agoYeah, they’ll even let you drive if you don’t have your seatbelt on, how dare they allow the owner to have any control at all /s
- aplummer 3y agoI don’t think there is a single car manufacturer that doesn’t allow you to drive without your seatbelt on. What point are you making?
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- mikem69 3y agoThat we should be allowed to drive our own cars without being annoyed by these terrible systems? I’ve avoided the new Lexus vehicles as their eye tracking is horrible - just glancing down to get a drink will set off alarms. Now they’ve made my Tesla just as bad - my drive yesterday had an alert every 10 seconds or so, from “pay attention to the road” to “autopilot speed limited”. Very dangerous and distracting.
- fragmede 3y ago"allowed"... I mean, all it does is beep at you, and some manufacturers offer a way to turn that off by inputting a code.
- ajhurliman 3y agoYes, that’s the point, everyone has these expectations of Tesla to make it impossible to circumvent safety features, but the same standard isn’t applied to other car manufacturers; HN just loves to bash on anything related to Elon.
- acdha 3y ago> the same standard isn’t applied to other car manufacturers This belief is hard to reconcile with the Cruise threads. What you’re actually seeing is that other companies aren’t hyping their technology so far in advance of its actual capabilities. If Toyota sold “full self driving” as an expensive add-on and failed to ship it over the time most people owned the vehicle, you’d see plenty of ragging on them, too. The contrast is especially noticeable when you look at what the market leaders are doing. Waymo owns their vehicles fully and isn’t claiming they’re suitable for general use everywhere, every time. Mercedes has an L3 system far in advance of Tesla but they only offer it in certain conditions and back it with insurance. If Tesla’s product was where their marketing claims it is, they’d do the same.
- mikem69 3y agoMy experience post-recall has been different. The system is extremely annoying now, but will leave you alone if it sees your face and knows you’re watching the road. Covering up the camera just makes it nag more frequently. It’s frankly unusable now, as it’s constantly beeping at me…almost as bad as Lexus, which will beep if you as much as glance down to get a bottle of water.
- theflyingelvis 3y agoThis mirrors my experience with the update. I hate it. People like the author of the article and people who misuse autopilot are why we can’t have nice things.
- qarl 3y ago> People like the author of the article and people who misuse autopilot are why we can’t have nice things. Well - yes - exactly. The software protects us from people who will misuse the technology and hurt others. Cars are extremely dangerous.
- mikem69 3y agoThe software makes the car more dangerous. Instead of watching the road, I’m now having to look and figure out why my car is beeping at me. Apparently, I need to “pay attention to the road”, which is what I was doing before the beeping. After 6 years and hundreds of thousands of miles using autopilot without any issues, I am now considering just getting an older luxury car that doesn’t have any of this “safety” software.
- qarl 3y ago> The software makes the car more dangerous. Ah yes, and seatbelts make cars more dangerous too - distracting the driving and impeding their movement. Motorcycle helmets impair vision. And gun safety switches make rapid use very difficult. Right?