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With all of this, I still don’t understand how Tesla manages to sell any cars, let alone 1.8M cars in 2023.
by kanavs 3y ago
With all of this, I still don’t understand how Tesla manages to sell any cars, let alone 1.8M cars in 2023.
- willcipriano 3y agoThe magical part to me is these were the greatest cars ever until Musk bought Twitter.
- acdha 3y agoYou missed a decade of complaints? Under the previous ownership, videos of Tesla “FSD” making dangerous decisions were a Twitter staple for years.
- willcipriano 3y agoA couple years ago I was routinely down voted on here and other social media sites for making fun of Teslas emergency vehicle homing feature. Then Musk bought Twitter and I stopped hearing all the justifications for them and former defenders of Tesla started saying what I was saying years ago.
- LargeTomato 3y agoI'm sorry you got down voted. I hate down votes. Anyway... These issues with Tesla aren't recent, they've been talked about for a decade at least.
- acdha 3y agoI can’t say anything about the down votes but from what I saw, I the criticism was always there but it grew over time as the stuff Musk promised customers drifted years and years further away, and his increasingly unhinged social media antics made it harder and harder to give him the benefit of the doubt. It felt a lot like what happened with President Bush where some people who really wanted democracy in the Middle East or Afghanistan kept coming up with these 5-dimensional chess theories based on the assumption that he shared their goal and must have some deeper plan where it all made sense, only to eventually accept that it was just as disorganized as it appeared on the surface.
- rsynnott 3y agoWhile HN was rather _late_ to figure out that Naughty Old Mr Car was full of shit (people defended him for the Thailand diver thing!) it does finally seem to have figured it out. HN’s hive mind tends to be rather slow on the uptake, but gets there eventually; see also Bitcoin (the savior of the world on this website until 2019 or so).
- yoavm 3y agoIsn't the world filled with crap being sold in crazy amounts purely for marketing and branding? It seems to me like the only surprise is that somehow, generally speaking, the car industry had some correlation of cost:quality until Tesla came about. Other industries (I'm thinking fashion/food) had lost that correlation long ago.
- Infinitesimus 3y agoNot really until tesla - Mercedes has been excitedly shipping creaky piano black plastic for years and I'm sure there are many other brands cutting corners to reduce price. (Porsche doesn't seem to care which is good)
- yoavm 3y agoTrue, though the article talks about much more serious stuff than the quality of the interior plastic.
- andsoitis 3y agoAccording to Consumer Reports, Mercedes-Benz scores second last in reliability amongst car brands. Lexus/Toyota being the most reliable. Tesla is middle of the pack at #14 and some surprises (branding?) include Volvo at position 25. Source: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938/ https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...
- SkyPuncher 3y agoThey did a few things right that the legacy manufacturers just can’t freaking figure out. * their charging infrastructure is by far the best. Regardless of coverage, their chargers are typically in working condition. * they actually put enough power in their powertrain. No dinky, slow cars. Fast, powerful cars. They’re fun to drive when you want them to be fun. * technology.
- LargeTomato 3y agoTesla hired extremely talented engineers to design their cars. You can't really say the same for e.g. Ford. Tesla tackled the engineering problem from a hardware and software perspective. You can't say the same of really any traditional automaker.
- hef19898 3y agoSo, Ford's automotive engineers are untalented sobs? Bold claim.
- SV_BubbleTime 3y agoI haven’t worked at Ford, but I have at Chrysler and GM. Slobs, no. Specialized to a degree you can’t imagine, yes. Tesla hires PHDs, normal OEs will hire kids out of a few MI or IL schools, train them, and then put them in 200 person teams. There is a guy that does nothing but dog light mounting on 4 models of vehicles. That is not how Tesla works.
- hef19898 3y agoGot it, all those automotive engineering PhDs were unemployed before Tesla showed up. And given bad Tesla's buold quality is, maybe Tesla should have all thise specialized teams as well. But yes, this hyperspecialization is the main reason I didn't fo to automotive. Benefit of mounting the same light so, the guy doesn't mount it in a way that doesn't light the intended area or causes cable fires.
- maximus-decimus 3y agoThe Toyota EV also had tires falling off and recent Hyundai/Kia cars were catching on fire because the engine was overheating from the automatic stop/start when you stop. Jeep has transmission issues where theirs cars would go to neutral on their own, which ended up with Anton Yelchin dying at 27 years old crushed against a fence by his own car. I believe Honda has problems with manual transmissions going out of gear while you were driving and just refused to address the problem for a long ass time. They're all bad. There's a whole scene in the Fight Club movie where they explain every car company will refuse to fix a deadly problem unless they calculate the lawsuits will cost them more than the fix, and I believe it.
- rad_gruchalski 3y agoTires falling off must be a special magical failure. Wheels I’d understand but tires?
- maximus-decimus 3y agoIt was an English error in this case, but if you're curious, that's how you lose your tires : https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/tire-blows-immediately-after-ontario-driver-pulled-over-for-doing-270-km-h https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/tire-blows-immediately-aft...
- rad_gruchalski 3y agoBlown tire. Dude liked speeding and drifting but no clue of physics.
- Rebelgecko 3y agoThey're still the best (especially with the Bolt being discontinued) option in the US if you want an EV under $40k
- chris222 3y agoAll cars have these issues. The article is more hit peice than real journalism which would include statsitics from all automakers. Remember we have lemon laws? Writing negative things about Tesla just gets more hits.
- SV_BubbleTime 3y agoIt’s hard to determine how many people actually hate the product, or just now really hate the figurehead. I’ve seen the mask slip some here and there.
- hef19898 3y agoActually no, most cars don't have suspension failures...
- chris222 3y agoIt’s a very common recall area. You should really do some research. https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/jeep-grand-cherokee-recall-suspension-parts-might-fall-off-a7237252465/ https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/jee... https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/honda-crv-recall-2023-rust-suspension/ https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/honda-crv-recall-2023-rust-... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1264789 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1264789
- hef19898 3y agoA failure while driving is very different from a recall. Especially if the brand in question knows about the issues for years! Edit: From your own links: >> Jeep Grand Cherokee SUVs Recalled Because Suspension Parts Might Fall Off Might =|= did fall off, pro-active =|= waitimg for four years until being forced to do a recall >> Honda is recalling nearly 564,000 of its older model CR-V sport utility vehicles because road salt can cause the frame to rust and rear suspension parts to come loose. Emphasis on older, rust and can cause -> recalled before suspension parts broke, and definitely not on brand new cars >> Subaru is recalling nearly 875,000 cars and SUVs in the U.S. because the engines can stall or a rear suspension part can fall off. Again, can, and not did fall off. Sometimes it seems reading comprehension, or the lack thereof is directly linked to technical understanding, or again lack thereof.
- rcpt 3y agoWhat else are you going to buy? A Chevy?
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- chris222 3y agoDespite this hit peice they still make some of the best BEVs when you consider range, price, charging speed/network and software. These are things customers care the most about. Every brand has reliability and quality issues and tesla is in the middle of the pack statistically. You might want to study the issues with the non-tesla fast chargers in the United States to see what customers really care about.
- belltaco 3y agoBecause issues with other cars are not given wide media attention like Teslas. And HN is far worse in that regard. > According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Ford issued 55 safety recalls in 2023, down from 67 last year. The repair campaigns affected 5.9 million vehicles, down from 8.6 million in 2022, which put the automaker in second place for the total number of vehicles recalled. Honda’s 19 recalls affected 6.3 million cars. > Chrysler issued the second-highest number of recalls, at 45. Kia came in third for the total number of recalled cars, with more than 3 million affected by its 20 repair campaigns. https://www.kbb.com/car-news/in-2023-ford-again-led-nation-in-recalls/ https://www.kbb.com/car-news/in-2023-ford-again-led-nation-i... How many of those did you see reported on HN? And many of Tesla's recalls are OTA updates, and even software update recalls show up on HN.
- chris222 3y agoSo true. Elsewhere in this thread I cited 3 major recent suspension recalls for issues that were as bad or worse than Teslas.
- 4b11b4 3y agoI think you answered your own question: there isn't a "with all of this".