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> until Russian tanks are again on the streets of Budapest Maybe instead of consuming propaganda about "evil Russia", you should figure out the real reasons b

> until Russian tanks are again on the streets of Budapest Maybe instead of consuming propaganda about "evil Russia", you should figure out the real reasons behind its actions. These narratives are so detached from reality and cause-effect that I actually expect that propaganda will unironically declare a win for Ukraine once Russia achieves its goals there.

AnimalMuppet 3y ago
Maybe instead of merely dropping criticism, you should drop some knowledge. What, in your view, are the real reasons behind Russia's actions, and what is your evidence that those are the real reasons?
- foverzar 3y ago
  > Instead of What would be the fun of that? Anyway, it's not like people would even care unless you poke holes in their ideas first. > What, in your view, are the real reasons behind Russia's actions Fulfilling its role in Minsk agreements that it is legally bound to, duh. Spiced by assuming no good faith or credibility from its former western partners, who at this point even publicly confessed that they were lying about these agreements in the first place. > and what is your evidence that those are the real reasons These kind of questions kind of stagger me, because they are like "what's your evidence that the sky is blue and Earth is round". I guess largely because it is a simple, yet very concrete and grounded cause-effect that doesn't require inventing an alternate reality or a new prognosis each time a new datapoint presents itself. It is definitely more realistic than fantasizing about "Russian tanks in Budapest" or explaining every specific bit of reality with vaguest, maximalist and most intangible crap.
tycho-newman 3y ago
Russia is paranoid about NATO expansion in the belief it faces an existential threat. The reality is that Russia is a has-been power, riven with oligarch corruption and a GDP the size of Italy. Russia’s biggest threat is itself and always has been. The clearest manifestation of Russia being its own worst enemy was Prigozhin’s march on Moscow. But in a fit of projection, Putin blames anyone except himself and his cronies for the state of Russia today. I’m not a Jungian, but this is classic scapegoating. Which is why supporting the Ukrainians is essential.
- foverzar 3y ago
  > Russia is paranoid about NATO expansion in the belief it faces an existential threat. No one cares that much about something as vague and unspecific. Even a mentally impaired child should recognize the background of NATO-Russia relationships, but this is hardly the core motive and reason behind what is happening right now. > The reality is that Russia is a has-been power, riven with oligarch corruption and a GDP the size of Italy. Russia’s biggest threat is itself and always has been. The reality is that you are parroting media, hence the whole "Italy GDP" meme, as if the price tag of Italian cheeses and fashion items has anything to do with anything. Why specifically Italy? Why specifically GDP and not GDP per capita or any other one of an endless list of economic metrics? What does this even have to do with anything? The answer is obviously that these are not even your thoughts and you are just parroting, but I don't understand why would anyone insult their own intelligence like that. One actually has to admire this zealous doublethink about oligarchs: - It all started with a typical projection: "we have issue with billionaires, means those guys have it even worse, duh" - Oligarchs were heavily sanctioned, which amounted for a wet fart, because it turned out that they aren't that powerful in Russia due to the same historic reason why elder Russians love (or at least tolerate) Putin: he brought them under the thumb of the state and made them pay taxes. - Keep insisting the same thing, while keeping in mind that it doesn't work - doublethink! This is pretty much the level of insight and idiocy surrounding any internet "expertise" on Russia in the western corner of the net. > scow. But in a fit of projection, Putin blames anyone except himself and his cronies for the state of Russia today. I’m not a Jungian, but this is classic scapegoating. Which is why supporting the Ukrainians is essential. Politruk, can you talk like a normal person? Why is it always weird slogans and manifestos?

AnimalMuppet 3y ago

Maybe instead of merely dropping criticism, you should drop some knowledge. What, in your view, are the real reasons behind Russia's actions, and what is your evidence that those are the real reasons?

foverzar 3y ago
> Instead of What would be the fun of that? Anyway, it's not like people would even care unless you poke holes in their ideas first. > What, in your view, are the real reasons behind Russia's actions Fulfilling its role in Minsk agreements that it is legally bound to, duh. Spiced by assuming no good faith or credibility from its former western partners, who at this point even publicly confessed that they were lying about these agreements in the first place. > and what is your evidence that those are the real reasons These kind of questions kind of stagger me, because they are like "what's your evidence that the sky is blue and Earth is round". I guess largely because it is a simple, yet very concrete and grounded cause-effect that doesn't require inventing an alternate reality or a new prognosis each time a new datapoint presents itself. It is definitely more realistic than fantasizing about "Russian tanks in Budapest" or explaining every specific bit of reality with vaguest, maximalist and most intangible crap.

tycho-newman 3y ago

Russia is paranoid about NATO expansion in the belief it faces an existential threat. The reality is that Russia is a has-been power, riven with oligarch corruption and a GDP the size of Italy. Russia’s biggest threat is itself and always has been. The clearest manifestation of Russia being its own worst enemy was Prigozhin’s march on Moscow. But in a fit of projection, Putin blames anyone except himself and his cronies for the state of Russia today. I’m not a Jungian, but this is classic scapegoating. Which is why supporting the Ukrainians is essential.

foverzar 3y ago
> Russia is paranoid about NATO expansion in the belief it faces an existential threat. No one cares that much about something as vague and unspecific. Even a mentally impaired child should recognize the background of NATO-Russia relationships, but this is hardly the core motive and reason behind what is happening right now. > The reality is that Russia is a has-been power, riven with oligarch corruption and a GDP the size of Italy. Russia’s biggest threat is itself and always has been. The reality is that you are parroting media, hence the whole "Italy GDP" meme, as if the price tag of Italian cheeses and fashion items has anything to do with anything. Why specifically Italy? Why specifically GDP and not GDP per capita or any other one of an endless list of economic metrics? What does this even have to do with anything? The answer is obviously that these are not even your thoughts and you are just parroting, but I don't understand why would anyone insult their own intelligence like that. One actually has to admire this zealous doublethink about oligarchs: - It all started with a typical projection: "we have issue with billionaires, means those guys have it even worse, duh" - Oligarchs were heavily sanctioned, which amounted for a wet fart, because it turned out that they aren't that powerful in Russia due to the same historic reason why elder Russians love (or at least tolerate) Putin: he brought them under the thumb of the state and made them pay taxes. - Keep insisting the same thing, while keeping in mind that it doesn't work - doublethink! This is pretty much the level of insight and idiocy surrounding any internet "expertise" on Russia in the western corner of the net. > scow. But in a fit of projection, Putin blames anyone except himself and his cronies for the state of Russia today. I’m not a Jungian, but this is classic scapegoating. Which is why supporting the Ukrainians is essential. Politruk, can you talk like a normal person? Why is it always weird slogans and manifestos?