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> That’s what Lua was made for. Idk why I would “<choose><jsx></jsx></choose>” over “choose { lua }”. React was made for web developers. Most web developers k

by diggan 3y ago

> That’s what Lua was made for. Idk why I would “<choose><jsx></jsx></choose>” over “choose { lua }”. React was made for web developers. Most web developers know HTML already. Many of them probably know Lua too, but not as widespread as HTML-knowledge. JSX is basically HTML in JavaScript, so it's easy because it's familiar. The reason for JSX is to make DOM creation in JS more like DOM creation in HTML.

wruza 3y ago
In my opinion, HTML and XML would benefit from being a Lua table with Lua strings too.
- diggan 3y ago
  My opinion is that most developers would be better off if they just started using lisp-like languages instead. Use Fennel if you really have to use Lua.
  - wruza 3y ago
    Lisps are much more loaded with implicitness around all sorts of brackets, which makes them non-friendly for semi-programmers. This is less important in our usual industry that is motivated to hide as much as possible behind a paywall, but I’m a strong follower of “anyone wielding a keyboard should be able to program” ideology. That said, historically lisps are the most featureful runtime-wise. It’s a real shame we hide behind our complexity but collectively chicken out before really powerful concepts lisps introduced.
slmjkdbtl 3y ago
You need to invent and build non-trivial systems to compile JSX, while you only need a couple lines to make a mithril.js style hyperscript h() without the need for a compiler, and you get variables, loops / array maps etc for free since you're writing normal JS.
- diggan 3y ago
  Sure, I'm not arguing for everyone to use JSX (I personally use Reagent/Hiccup in ClojureScript most of the time, which are just built-in vectors (arrays) basically). I'm just explaining to someone why people chose JSX in favor of X, when they come from a HTML/CSS/JS background.
  - slmjkdbtl 3y ago
    Yeah that's fair! Everyone has their own way to do stuff

by diggan 3y ago

wruza 3y ago

In my opinion, HTML and XML would benefit from being a Lua table with Lua strings too.

diggan 3y ago
My opinion is that most developers would be better off if they just started using lisp-like languages instead. Use Fennel if you really have to use Lua.
- wruza 3y ago
  Lisps are much more loaded with implicitness around all sorts of brackets, which makes them non-friendly for semi-programmers. This is less important in our usual industry that is motivated to hide as much as possible behind a paywall, but I’m a strong follower of “anyone wielding a keyboard should be able to program” ideology. That said, historically lisps are the most featureful runtime-wise. It’s a real shame we hide behind our complexity but collectively chicken out before really powerful concepts lisps introduced.

slmjkdbtl 3y ago

You need to invent and build non-trivial systems to compile JSX, while you only need a couple lines to make a mithril.js style hyperscript h() without the need for a compiler, and you get variables, loops / array maps etc for free since you're writing normal JS.

diggan 3y ago
Sure, I'm not arguing for everyone to use JSX (I personally use Reagent/Hiccup in ClojureScript most of the time, which are just built-in vectors (arrays) basically). I'm just explaining to someone why people chose JSX in favor of X, when they come from a HTML/CSS/JS background.
- slmjkdbtl 3y ago
  Yeah that's fair! Everyone has their own way to do stuff