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I blame JavaScript and the deficient culture of insanity around it. The only things that are slow on any of my computers are honking great stacks of shit built

by baz00 3y ago

I blame JavaScript and the deficient culture of insanity around it. The only things that are slow on any of my computers are honking great stacks of shit built on top of browsers with JavaScript. Sometimes I have three different fucking browser engines running these stacks of shit.

chpatrick 3y ago
You can complain but if the inefficient sites work fine on 95% of modern computers it doesn't make business sense to optimize them. You can't run the most minimal current Linux kernel on a 30 year old laptop either.
- baz00 3y ago
  People really need to actually ask the users about this. I hear lots of frustration all the time and see end users with stacks of shit that barely work but it never gets upstream because the users think that's the status quo or are so burned out that they don't care any more. Of course various client telemetry frameworks say it sucks but if no one is complaining then of course it doesn't make business sense to optimise them and carry on making it slightly worse until someone finally does moan about it. But everything being crap is not an excuse to keep delivering more crap.
- alpaca128 3y ago
  The sites may work fine on modern computers but many don't have a modern computer. Not to mention it affects battery life either way. > You can't run the most minimal current Linux kernel on a 30 year old laptop either. I wouldn't bet on that after seeing what some people have done with Gentoo. And you only need to go back 5-10 years to find devices failing to run many websites and electron apps smoothly. My old laptop has an i7 CPU from 2016 and couldn't keep up anymore. And even on my new hardware from 2022 many things feel a bit sluggish.
- accrual 3y ago
  > You can't run the most minimal current Linux kernel on a 30 year old laptop either. Not exactly the same, but I was able to run a fairly recent version of OpenBSD (6.x) on a 486 DX2-66 with 32MB of RAM this year. Not bad for a CPU from 1992 (32 years ago).
threatofrain 3y ago
I blame the native world for not finding easy ways to build better alternatives. If, for example, C++ people demonstrated that they could write the same software with more ease and speed, then it would've been a no-brainer for all businesses and open source projects in the world.
- mgerullis 3y ago
  Thank you.
- happymellon 3y ago
  I'm not sure about that. Writing a Python application isn't that hard, but your frontend dev will more than likely be experienced in JS than Python+QT and push for that. Vala could have been great as a way of making C more accessible, shame it didnt really pick up.
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by baz00 3y ago

chpatrick 3y ago

You can complain but if the inefficient sites work fine on 95% of modern computers it doesn't make business sense to optimize them. You can't run the most minimal current Linux kernel on a 30 year old laptop either.

baz00 3y ago
People really need to actually ask the users about this. I hear lots of frustration all the time and see end users with stacks of shit that barely work but it never gets upstream because the users think that's the status quo or are so burned out that they don't care any more. Of course various client telemetry frameworks say it sucks but if no one is complaining then of course it doesn't make business sense to optimise them and carry on making it slightly worse until someone finally does moan about it. But everything being crap is not an excuse to keep delivering more crap.
alpaca128 3y ago
The sites may work fine on modern computers but many don't have a modern computer. Not to mention it affects battery life either way. > You can't run the most minimal current Linux kernel on a 30 year old laptop either. I wouldn't bet on that after seeing what some people have done with Gentoo. And you only need to go back 5-10 years to find devices failing to run many websites and electron apps smoothly. My old laptop has an i7 CPU from 2016 and couldn't keep up anymore. And even on my new hardware from 2022 many things feel a bit sluggish.
accrual 3y ago
> You can't run the most minimal current Linux kernel on a 30 year old laptop either. Not exactly the same, but I was able to run a fairly recent version of OpenBSD (6.x) on a 486 DX2-66 with 32MB of RAM this year. Not bad for a CPU from 1992 (32 years ago).

threatofrain 3y ago

I blame the native world for not finding easy ways to build better alternatives. If, for example, C++ people demonstrated that they could write the same software with more ease and speed, then it would've been a no-brainer for all businesses and open source projects in the world.

mgerullis 3y ago
Thank you.
happymellon 3y ago
I'm not sure about that. Writing a Python application isn't that hard, but your frontend dev will more than likely be experienced in JS than Python+QT and push for that. Vala could have been great as a way of making C more accessible, shame it didnt really pick up.
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