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Was. Despite owning one, I'd rather use my 14" M1 MBP thanks. Hell if I had to have a PC I've got a much much nicer Lenovo T14 gen 3 here! For the MBP in compa

by baz00 3y ago

Was. Despite owning one, I'd rather use my 14" M1 MBP thanks. Hell if I had to have a PC I've got a much much nicer Lenovo T14 gen 3 here! For the MBP in comparison: Better screen, performance, battery life, OS that actually mostly works, connectivity, sound. The keyboard isn't that bad either... As for ports, I don't need 'em. Last thing I want to do is drag a fucking drunken octopus around with me. Even as a ThinkPad fanboy this ancient ThinkPad love is getting into self-flaggelating religious drivel territory.

asystole 3y ago
Call it Stockholm syndrome but IMO modern MacBooks have some of the nicest laptop keyboards around. And I'm the kind of guy who uses a custom mechanical keyboard at his desk and turns his nose up at Cherry MX switches.
- baz00 3y ago
  Pre-post edit: excuse the keyboard rant. They're not bad. Definitely better than the soggy ass Dell and Lenovo keyboards at least. But I would still rather have a proper keyboard with some travel. But the whole laptop experience is a compromise generally so I'm willing to live with it. My daily driver keyboard is an Apple Magic Keyboard on my Mac mini and that's fine as well. I only use it so I don't have switch back and forth between a different keyboard and the MBP when I need to. As for the Cherry MX, not a fan either. I tried a few over the years of different switch variants (at great cost) and they actually hurt you if you have to do some serious work on them after a while. When I say serious, a lot of my existence these days is hacking out large quantities of LaTeX and switching between that and paper. The MX boards are just too high, too noisy and too expensive. Got to say the best keyboard I've used in recent years though is a Cherry Stream TKL. That's actually surprisingly good and very cheap (£25). It'll annoy the purists here because it's a rubber dome SX switch.
  - eunice 3y ago
    went from mx brown to topre and can never go back
  - BSDobelix 3y ago
    You should never go into politics's, now you made two main-group's mad, the Thinkpad lover's AND the Cherry "lovers", you now have only one minor group left who is not salty and that is the Plan9-Front who exclusively works with a 3-buttom mouse and drawterm ;)
    - baz00 3y ago
      You're right. If I got into politics the world would be ash in 30 minutes.
- Aardwolf 3y ago
  What switches do you prefer instead? (I currently use Cherry MX browns, interested to learn what's better since I thought non-cherry switches were bootleggy)
  - asystole 3y ago
    I go between different switches but the Kailh Box series is a really solid choice and they make some great tactile switches that are IMO much nicer than MX Browns.
- eertami 3y ago
  Eh, Cherry switches are great. I had lubed Holy Pandas and sold them to switch back to MX browns. Genuinely a much better switch for mixed usage scenarios. I can't help but be suspicious when people are against Cherry switches, because often it is just Reddit cult/meme nonsense rather than from actual usage. Honestly the Macbook keyboard for me is just as bad as every other laptop. Thinkpads or XPS are the exact same mediocre experience you get from the the MBP.
- 533474 3y ago
  Fanboy syndrome :P
OskarS 3y ago
Not to mention the best touchpad in existence. One of my friends loathes everything Apple does (on principle, basically) and has tried several times to convince me that the ThinkPad X-series is just as good (or better) than an M-series MacBook Pro. Testing it out for a bit, there’s just no comparison. Even leaving the software aside, the hardware is just leaps and bounds better from Apple.
- betaby 3y ago
  Most laptop in category over 1K$ have decent track-pads nowadays. > hardware is just leaps and bounds better from Apple. Dollar for dollar comparison? Not my experience.
betaby 3y ago
> Better screen I disagree. I own two M2 MB pros: 14" and 16" and a T14 gen2 with a 4K display. T4 display is definitely better, for starter it's matte. Only place where MB shines is battery life. Even track-pads on newer Lenovos are decent.
- baz00 3y ago
  I think you need to get your eyes checked.
  - LanzVonL 3y ago
    For many people a matte screen is non-negotible. In fact, no company would dream of selling a glossy screen mobile device until the iPhone proved that people would tolerate it.
    - smabie 3y ago
      Who are these people? I don't think most people even know the difference between a matte vs glossy screen much less even care.
      - LanzVonL 3y ago
        Artists, programmers, normal people. All kinds of people. Matte screen option was simply taken away, leaving these people with the choice of sticking to an old computer or monitor, or upgrading. I for one am content to keep my old laptop with its nice screen and keyboard, and do any heavy lifting on a different computer. It's quite easy - ssh, x11, VNC, etc.
        baz00 3y ago
        Artists, photographers etc want colour accuracy and contrast, which is better on a glossy display (with anti glare coating). As your entire workload is apparently developer based, knock yourself out with a matte screen but I don't want one as I do both that side of things and the art side of things...

by baz00 3y ago

asystole 3y ago

Call it Stockholm syndrome but IMO modern MacBooks have some of the nicest laptop keyboards around. And I'm the kind of guy who uses a custom mechanical keyboard at his desk and turns his nose up at Cherry MX switches.

baz00 3y ago
Pre-post edit: excuse the keyboard rant. They're not bad. Definitely better than the soggy ass Dell and Lenovo keyboards at least. But I would still rather have a proper keyboard with some travel. But the whole laptop experience is a compromise generally so I'm willing to live with it. My daily driver keyboard is an Apple Magic Keyboard on my Mac mini and that's fine as well. I only use it so I don't have switch back and forth between a different keyboard and the MBP when I need to. As for the Cherry MX, not a fan either. I tried a few over the years of different switch variants (at great cost) and they actually hurt you if you have to do some serious work on them after a while. When I say serious, a lot of my existence these days is hacking out large quantities of LaTeX and switching between that and paper. The MX boards are just too high, too noisy and too expensive. Got to say the best keyboard I've used in recent years though is a Cherry Stream TKL. That's actually surprisingly good and very cheap (£25). It'll annoy the purists here because it's a rubber dome SX switch.
- eunice 3y ago
  went from mx brown to topre and can never go back
- BSDobelix 3y ago
  You should never go into politics's, now you made two main-group's mad, the Thinkpad lover's AND the Cherry "lovers", you now have only one minor group left who is not salty and that is the Plan9-Front who exclusively works with a 3-buttom mouse and drawterm ;)
  - baz00 3y ago
    You're right. If I got into politics the world would be ash in 30 minutes.
Aardwolf 3y ago
What switches do you prefer instead? (I currently use Cherry MX browns, interested to learn what's better since I thought non-cherry switches were bootleggy)
- asystole 3y ago
  I go between different switches but the Kailh Box series is a really solid choice and they make some great tactile switches that are IMO much nicer than MX Browns.
eertami 3y ago
Eh, Cherry switches are great. I had lubed Holy Pandas and sold them to switch back to MX browns. Genuinely a much better switch for mixed usage scenarios. I can't help but be suspicious when people are against Cherry switches, because often it is just Reddit cult/meme nonsense rather than from actual usage. Honestly the Macbook keyboard for me is just as bad as every other laptop. Thinkpads or XPS are the exact same mediocre experience you get from the the MBP.
533474 3y ago
Fanboy syndrome :P

OskarS 3y ago

Not to mention the best touchpad in existence. One of my friends loathes everything Apple does (on principle, basically) and has tried several times to convince me that the ThinkPad X-series is just as good (or better) than an M-series MacBook Pro. Testing it out for a bit, there’s just no comparison. Even leaving the software aside, the hardware is just leaps and bounds better from Apple.

betaby 3y ago
Most laptop in category over 1K$ have decent track-pads nowadays. > hardware is just leaps and bounds better from Apple. Dollar for dollar comparison? Not my experience.

betaby 3y ago

> Better screen I disagree. I own two M2 MB pros: 14" and 16" and a T14 gen2 with a 4K display. T4 display is definitely better, for starter it's matte. Only place where MB shines is battery life. Even track-pads on newer Lenovos are decent.

baz00 3y ago
I think you need to get your eyes checked.
- LanzVonL 3y ago
  For many people a matte screen is non-negotible. In fact, no company would dream of selling a glossy screen mobile device until the iPhone proved that people would tolerate it.
  - smabie 3y ago
    Who are these people? I don't think most people even know the difference between a matte vs glossy screen much less even care.
    - LanzVonL 3y ago
      Artists, programmers, normal people. All kinds of people. Matte screen option was simply taken away, leaving these people with the choice of sticking to an old computer or monitor, or upgrading. I for one am content to keep my old laptop with its nice screen and keyboard, and do any heavy lifting on a different computer. It's quite easy - ssh, x11, VNC, etc.
      - baz00 3y ago
        Artists, photographers etc want colour accuracy and contrast, which is better on a glossy display (with anti glare coating). As your entire workload is apparently developer based, knock yourself out with a matte screen but I don't want one as I do both that side of things and the art side of things...