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You're Supposed to Be Glad Your Tesla Is a Brittle Heap of Junk
- wagwan 3y agoThe Comment sections here reminds me of a Hacker who i equally met through the review of friends when i was at the edge of losing my funds, it happen that Mrs Theresa Michelle on Linkedln whom i got texting with earlier this year prolly mislead me into investing in an online digital cryptocurrency company that offers investors great profit in return. my first investment seems to be successful but after that i invested more money then after awhile when it was time for me to take my profits as well reinvest as usual the company system suddenly deactivate me from making withdrawals, i contacted Mrs Theresa but she asked me to invest more funds which isn’t normal, i tried to contact the customer care system for help they rather ask that i deposit an extra $35k usd for maintenance fee after i already have a total of $171k usd on hold, the whole situation got me really depressed and mad at a point that was when i got into looking out for a hacker who could be of help Luckily enough i came across HACKCOPERATION @ G M A I L . C O M , i first texted him on his Telegram account @ HACKCOPERATION He replied and i explained the whole scenario to him and he assured me to be of help, i trusted him and we got going after some time he asked for wallet for transfer of my funds i couldn’t still believe everything not until i saw my funds back in my wallet. i thanked him enough for being such a savior as well paid him off as we agreed even with more
- jaggs 3y agoWow, reading the original Reuters report is extremely scary. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-musk-steering-suspension/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-mu... A friend of mine bought a brand new Model S, and within weeks experienced the squeaking noise the article talks about. Tesla took months to sort it out, after making excuse after excuse. He never bought another one.
- matthewdgreen 3y agoI had the front suspension do this on my 2018 Model 3 after about four years. In fairness, Tesla was extremely decent and replaced the entire front suspension without asking questions. However my car is now out of warranty, so I'm a little nervous about the next major event.
- cantSpellSober 3y agoThis article just seems like a rehash of the Reuters article written in the tone of a Gawker blog. The author adds an anecdote but little else. > All the upside-down incentives and warped prerogatives [sic] of the startup world are on display here Interesting post to see on a site sponsored by Y Combinator.
- rsynnott 3y agoI mean, are you denying that “make a barely-workable prototype, sell it, hope to improve it later” is a big startup-world thing? Like, you could argue it’s not, I suppose, but probably not… super-credibly? Trouble is, as an approach it works a lot better with CRUD apps than with cars.
- cantSpellSober 3y agoIt's a broad brush to paint with on a site dedicated to startups. Is Tesla even still a startup? They're 20 years old, the world's most valuable automaker, publicly traded and part of the S&P. Seems like a cheap jab they needed to add something to the Reuters article.
- rsynnott 3y agoI mean, they’re claiming that they’re such a startup that dealing with _water_ is beyond them, so… (Strictly speaking a random employee rather than the company itself, but “cars from [non-Tesla manufacturer] are only non-horribly-broken because they’re 100 years old” seems to be an _extremely_ common line taken.)
- cantSpellSober 3y agoBMW recently settled a water damage suit for hundreds of millions of dollars, they're not a startup
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- leereeves 3y agoScary is clearly what they were going for. An unbiased news source would provide some context for comparison, but Reuters is on an anti-Musk crusade (they even mention a few other hit pieces they've written in that article). Fortunately other people here have provided some context: "In documents that Jeep provided to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the automaker [Jeep] says that it is aware of 21 instances of [rear coil] springs detaching" https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/jeep-grand-cherokee-recall-suspension-parts-might-fall-off-a7237252465/ https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/jee... "Honda said in documents filed to NHTSA that it has 61 customer complaints in the U.S. [of rear trailing arms detaching]" https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/honda-crv-recall-2023-rust-suspension/ https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/honda-crv-recall-2023-rust-... "Toyota warned owners of BZ4X electric SUVs to stop driving them because the wheels might fall off." https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/24/cars/toyota-bz4x-tundra-recall/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/24/cars/toyota-bz4x-tundra-recal... That Reuters article could have been written about any automaker. They all have catastrophic failures from time to time and they all have thousands of customer complaints out of millions of vehicles sold.
- bundie 3y agoWe know it's you, Elon
- moritzwarhier 3y agoIt's a tragedy how this also puts other users of roads and sidewalks at great risk.
- beretguy 3y ago> No, this is not a blog from 2012! It is also not a blog from 2015 or 2018 or 2022. It is not even a blog from two weeks ago about Tesla's self-driving systems killing people all over the place. It is a blog from today, Dec. 21, 2023 This sentence is not going to age well.
- truculent 3y agoWhy?
- hnfong 3y agoPresumably because today is already 31 Dec 2023, and almost 2024. It's going to age even less well in a couple years.
- bamboozled 3y agoStill don’t get it
- LargeTomato 3y agoThe sentence emphasizes how recently the article was written. In a year from now the article won't be new anymore.
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- iwontberude 3y agoIt’s like a rap song when they talk about how 1996 is going to be the best year
- kanavs 3y agoWith all of this, I still don’t understand how Tesla manages to sell any cars, let alone 1.8M cars in 2023.
- willcipriano 3y agoThe magical part to me is these were the greatest cars ever until Musk bought Twitter.
- acdha 3y agoYou missed a decade of complaints? Under the previous ownership, videos of Tesla “FSD” making dangerous decisions were a Twitter staple for years.
- willcipriano 3y agoA couple years ago I was routinely down voted on here and other social media sites for making fun of Teslas emergency vehicle homing feature. Then Musk bought Twitter and I stopped hearing all the justifications for them and former defenders of Tesla started saying what I was saying years ago.
- LargeTomato 3y agoI'm sorry you got down voted. I hate down votes. Anyway... These issues with Tesla aren't recent, they've been talked about for a decade at least.
- acdha 3y agoI can’t say anything about the down votes but from what I saw, I the criticism was always there but it grew over time as the stuff Musk promised customers drifted years and years further away, and his increasingly unhinged social media antics made it harder and harder to give him the benefit of the doubt. It felt a lot like what happened with President Bush where some people who really wanted democracy in the Middle East or Afghanistan kept coming up with these 5-dimensional chess theories based on the assumption that he shared their goal and must have some deeper plan where it all made sense, only to eventually accept that it was just as disorganized as it appeared on the surface.
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- Kaibeezy 3y agoNew things. Is it really a surprise? People not understanding tradeoffs. Governments slow to regulate. Are these surprises either? I drive a Saab. Also no surprise.
- moritzwarhier 3y agoGovernment was quick to hand out subsidies to buyers of these cars, after handing out huge subsidies to buyers of the previous generation of cars less than 15 years ago, here in Germany. So regulation is quick actually! And no lack of motivation to tap into the great magic generator of wealth and prosperity that is building a couple billion more vehicles with giant batteries because that will obviously help the environment. Regulation works! I guess they'll find some way to also regulate this awesome technology so that it doesn't endanger people in immediate proximity. Ah yes, "tradeoffs" about "new things". The main innovation in electric cars are large rechargable batteries. // I know this comment might sound incisive, off-topic or unreasonable to many readers, but i'm gonna leave it here and gladly collect downvotes because it's my unfiltered opinion. Nothing against electric vehicles, but their current treatment by society as innovative technology with a positive impact when used in the same way we use cars today is ludicrous to me. And when it comes to the cost of cars, direct or societal costs, I am strictly opposed to subsidies. There are already too many cars per capita and the number keeps increasing. Regarding article: I don't see anything specific to electric cars here, not even in most of the defective parts. The safety regulations shouldn't require much or even anything specific to electric cars here. Especially no exceptions or loopholes. Should be the same framework as with combustion cars.
- rad_gruchalski 3y ago> after handing out huge subsidies to buyers of the previous generation of cars less than 15 years ago And Euro diesel subsidies 4 years ago. > building a couple billion more vehicles with giant batteries because that will obviously help the environment There was a new memo. Not only environment, also good for the grid because batteries in cars are good oversupply storage. Apparently.
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- hollywood_court 3y agoI was tempted to buy a Model 3 a few months ago when the prices were lower than ever. I daily a Land Cruiser and I thought picking up a Tesla simply for my work commute would be a wise decision. However the nearest dealer and service center is 2+ hours away. That combined with all the anecdotes from my friends who had bad experiences with the them have kept me away.
- chris222 3y agoThey have a pretty reliable service that will come to your house for most of the repairs. You should see if thats available in your area. I have a 2018 Model 3 and two friends have 2019s and we have not had these issues. I think they are overblown, there are millions of Teslas out there now.
- rasz 3y agoTesla model 3 wouldnt work in the environment demanding a 4x4 truck.
- hollywood_court 3y agoThe Tesla wouldn't replace the Land Cruiser. I treat vehicles like hammers. You have to have different ones for different purposes. I have the Land Cruiser for recreation and driving my 4 year old son to and from school which happens to be on the way to my office so it is more often than not my daily commuter. My pickup truck only gets used when I need a pickup truck. I believe I've only put ~500 miles on it in the past 3 years. But it is a single cab 2500 so my son cannot ride in it. Maybe when he's older and out of the carseat. The Tesla would simply be to haul my son to school and myself to my office. I'm looking at just getting a Prius or a CRV Hybrid now. The Land Cruiser only gets ~10 MPG so that's a bit of an annoyance for me. Getting a steady daily commuter would mean the Land Cruiser can be simply for recreation and longer road trips where we need the storage space.
- pylua 3y agoCan anyone vouch for an alternative such as rivian when it comes to better quality?
- hef19898 3y agoIf build quality, mechanical build quality that is, matters to you: take an EV from a legacy car manufacturer.
- LargeTomato 3y agoIf you want your car to hold together on the freeway get a legacy car. But if you want the sickest software updates and Full Self Driving™ get yourself a Tesla. /s
- belltaco 3y agoNot really https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/wheels-falling-off-toyotas-first-ev-136259/ https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/wheels-falling...
- hef19898 3y agoWant to know how to treat such a problem properly? From ypur own article: >> “No one should drive these vehicles until the remedy is performed,” the Japanese brand’s US arm said in a statement. Now compare that to Tesla's approach. By the way, hub bolts getting loose are a serious, and weird, issue. Less serious so than the suspension falling apart so, and not having a proper suspension design after sears of knowing about the issue.
- belltaco 3y agoWe don't know the scale of the problem, Toyota's probably having that issue at a way larger scale than Tesla.
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- childintime 3y agoTesla has responded to the Reuters article, basically saying Reuters is the shoddy one: https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1740097070789198241 https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1740097070789198241
- hef19898 3y agoNo big surprise, is it? I guess Reuters will get "nuclear" law suite by Tesla for this...
- JohnFen 3y agoThat's the expected response. What else would they say?
- pimlottc 3y agoBy saying they have great principles, cool technology and high pay. They don't really offer any evidence to dispute the rate of failures and quality issues brought up in the article.
- hef19898 3y agoTesla doesn't have a PR department anymore, they sure have a legal one.
- cantSpellSober 3y agoDid Twitter expand the character limit for tweets, or just remove it for accounts Elon likes?
- Rebelgecko 3y agoThis rebuttal is kinda embarrassing >Misleading headline: >“Tesla blamed drivers for failures of parts it long knew were defective.” >Reality (buried in the article): >Tesla paid for most of the 120,000 vehicle repairs under warranty. So potentially 59k people had to pay for it themselves?
- chris222 3y agoFunny they write about Tesla which is selling like crazy with mostly satsified owners and a middle of the pack quality score. There are vehicles like the Cadillac Lyirq that have a near 100% issue rate. https://www.reddit.com/r/CadillacLyriq/ https://www.reddit.com/r/CadillacLyriq/
- gambiting 3y agoDoes it have mostly satisfied owners? Tesla literally just landed at the bottom of the most recently released reliability rankings in the US, if the owners are still satisfied despite that, then maybe they are gaslighting themselves.
- chris222 3y agoYes if you look at customer satisfaction scores. https://www.autoblog.com/amp/article/car-brands-highest-customer-satisfaction-ratings-2022/ https://www.autoblog.com/amp/article/car-brands-highest-cust...
- dangus 3y agoConsumer Reports ranks Tesla reliability right in the middle of the pack, close to brands like Nissan and Cadillac. On the one hand I don’t doubt Reuter’s reporting at all. I’m sure there are defective vehicles and Tesla has a history of passing their mistakes down to customers and being evasive. On the other hand, critics of Tesla seem to get a little hysterical, too. It’s like people are offended that Tesla dares to sell a Nissan Sentra-like vehicle with leather seats, an electric motor, and some tech toys for boys. People buy shitty vehicles like Jeep Wranglers all the time and they’re satisfied because that’s what they want. They could spend less time in the shop if they bought a Toyota Camry but that’s not what they wanted.
- chris222 3y agoIt’s an intentional choice by both the automaker and the customer. If the reliability issues were so bad they affected sales significantly than Tesla would likely change. You see this all the time with every automaker. There will be various issues and then a quality/reliability push and then things will revert when the beancounters have sway again. https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2023/05/11/ford-shareholders-meeting-questions-farley/70206889007/ https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2023/05/11/ford-... What does this all add up to now? It just tells me Tesla is a real established automaker now.
- exabrial 3y ago...sort of like anything '"engineered" in California' these days.
- greenthrow 3y agoTesla has build quality issues and has done some shady stuff. But this article is an extremely poorly written rehash of the Reuters piece. The author's assertion that they have never had a wheel fall off or suspension collapse is completely meaningless. Of course they haven't. These are extremely rare events, and it has no bearing on whether, for example, the mentioned suspension collapse was due to a faulty part or due to the driver having hit a really bad pothole at speed previous to the collapse or something else. We don't really know based on the information available. We'd have to look at the telemetry that Tesla has on the vehicle and examine it for events prior to the suspension collapse.
- lcordier 3y agoFlying is like the physical internet, a true miracle in human evolution, step in and in a few short hours you step out on the other side of the world. And yet the insane complaints about lack of comfort, especially in Y, blows my mind. Finally some sanity in a thread about 192Y easyJet A320s. Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 20): I'm 1.7 m (5.57742782 feet), and I felt more squeezed in a German long-distance bus than in any LCC I've ever flown. The bus ride? Six hours. I Elon, if you are reading these, I would pay R2 for a Tesla S, but wait it is a NFT. https://lcordier.github.io/blog/20231231 https://lcordier.github.io/blog/20231231 I have one customization request thou. We can discuss.
- jauntywundrkind 3y agoThere's a broader message here, that scares the shit out of me, > The reason Tesla hasn't "worked all the bugs out yet" is that the company is run by people who hold established best practice in ideological contempt, and is defined by a tech-industry culture that fetishizes innovation and regards product quality as a third-order concern. There simply isn't as much investment money and credulous tech-media adulation to suck up in the promise of iterating on what already works. You must reinvent, almost literally in this case, the wheel—this time, apparently on the premise of "...and what if it sucked?" So much of capitalism is about convincing people things are hard, bad, wrong, & that your product/service and your product/service alone have it right. The top post in "I'm skeptical of low code" works at a low-code shop, and was a perfect example of this, of blasting code & showing off a form builder & wowwing folks. But then the hard part really starting. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38820160 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38820160 My dream is for humanity to have a better relationship with technology. One where the tech shows itself off better, is more observable, so we can understand it's upsides and it's downsides more honestly, tweak it some. And from that better position, we can steer and adjust the way forward. Rather than just serve us, giving us the option to see in and learn what's afoot, empowering us; that's like the first steps on the path to Engelbart-ian Augmenting Intellect. And it's how we escape humanity being victims to this Phoenix cycle of capitalism constantly burning everything down to let vc's and founders attempt a new ascent.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 3y ago"Tesla cars are shoddily built pieces of shit liable to fall apart and malfunction in dangerous ways at inopportune moments."
- sshine 3y ago> Tesla cars are shoddily built pieces of shit I read these pieces because I own a Tesla and I'm not a fanboy. But starting an article like this, I have to subtract a lot of emotion. I assume someone starting an article like this don't know the depth of their own bias. Just deliver the facts. They should speak for themselves.