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> More to the point, I've never seen a single soyjak meme that was targeted at Asian people. No shit. The person you're responding to wasn't even remotely sugg

> More to the point, I've never seen a single soyjak meme that was targeted at Asian people. No shit. The person you're responding to wasn't even remotely suggesting this. ;P Their entire point is that by acting as if soy is this problematic ingredient, but failing to acknowledge that entire nations consume it without problems, is inherently racism-tinged/backed. It has always been an attempt to decry non-meat-eating as effeminate by attempting to attribute a poorly drawn study from well over a decade ago that people seemingly barely read through.

lupusreal 3y ago
People in North America lacked exposure to soy consumption because in most of the continent they lacked exposure to Asian culture in general. Soybeans spread across the continent as animal fodder, much faster than asian culture did. They didn't reject all the various forms of tofu, most of them never heard of tofu in the first place. And when some tofu finally became commercially available in North America, most people dismissed it as a bland and inferior alternative to meat because that's essential what is was as presented to them. Furthermore the premise of soybeans being feminizing, the claim made up thread that prompted this sub-discussion, is a 21st century meme that cannot possibly explain why 18th, 19th and 20th century farmers in North America grew soybeans for their livestock but not themselves. Nor is the reason for this because they hated Asian people, the reason is because they were never well exposed to Asian culture in the first place. Even if you want to blame that on the Chinese Exclusion Act (at the end of the 19th century) and therefore racism, the production of soybeans for animal feed was already established generations earlier. The large expanse of the Pacific Ocean and the slow permeation of culture prior to the information age has more to do with it that anything else. We're talking about an era in which North American coastal communities thought lobster was a shitty food despite Mediterranean Europeans knowing it to be delicious since at least the Roman era. Food culture didn't travel fast, it took people several generations to figure out foods new to them even when those foods were well understood by people who looked like them and with whom they had relatively high cultural exchange.
philwelch 3y ago
The person I’m responding to claims “the backlash to soy is inextricably tied to old stereotypes of asians [sic] as weak and docile.” You are claiming that it “[fails] to acknowledge that entire nations consume it without problems”. These are two different claims.

lupusreal 3y ago

People in North America lacked exposure to soy consumption because in most of the continent they lacked exposure to Asian culture in general. Soybeans spread across the continent as animal fodder, much faster than asian culture did. They didn't reject all the various forms of tofu, most of them never heard of tofu in the first place. And when some tofu finally became commercially available in North America, most people dismissed it as a bland and inferior alternative to meat because that's essential what is was as presented to them. Furthermore the premise of soybeans being feminizing, the claim made up thread that prompted this sub-discussion, is a 21st century meme that cannot possibly explain why 18th, 19th and 20th century farmers in North America grew soybeans for their livestock but not themselves. Nor is the reason for this because they hated Asian people, the reason is because they were never well exposed to Asian culture in the first place. Even if you want to blame that on the Chinese Exclusion Act (at the end of the 19th century) and therefore racism, the production of soybeans for animal feed was already established generations earlier. The large expanse of the Pacific Ocean and the slow permeation of culture prior to the information age has more to do with it that anything else. We're talking about an era in which North American coastal communities thought lobster was a shitty food despite Mediterranean Europeans knowing it to be delicious since at least the Roman era. Food culture didn't travel fast, it took people several generations to figure out foods new to them even when those foods were well understood by people who looked like them and with whom they had relatively high cultural exchange.

philwelch 3y ago

The person I’m responding to claims “the backlash to soy is inextricably tied to old stereotypes of asians [sic] as weak and docile.” You are claiming that it “[fails] to acknowledge that entire nations consume it without problems”. These are two different claims.