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I do not understand how we got to this point. India is not in the U.S. sphere of influence and has not even voted to condemn Russia. It’s really a sign of how

by pylua 3y ago

I do not understand how we got to this point. India is not in the U.S. sphere of influence and has not even voted to condemn Russia. It’s really a sign of how weak the U.S. government has become, which is heartbreaking. US has found it too expensive to invest in its own citizens. It’s almost a ticking time bomb.

alephnerd 3y ago
> India is not in the U.S. sphere of influence Financing the Abraham Accords [0], using American engines in tanks [1], American fighter jet engines in Indian fighter jets [2], and being a part of 2 bilateral treaty organizations [3][4] absolutely puts India in the US Sphere of Influence. > has not even voted to condemn Russia India will never piss off Russia, because India doesn't want Russia to join the Chinese camp [5]. By keeping trade and defense ties with Russia, India minimizes the chances of Russia becoming pro-China instead of neutral during an India-China war (which almost happened in 2020) [6]. Mistreatment of Indian students in Ukraine during the war made a vote in favor of Ukraine politically untenable during election season [7] [0] - https://www.axios.com/2023/09/07/saudi-india-uae-us-railway-deal-g20-middle-east https://www.axios.com/2023/09/07/saudi-india-uae-us-railway-... [1] - https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/logistics/americas-cummins-engine-to-power-zorawar-tank-after-germany-fails-to-relax-trade-restrictions/article67544664.ece https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/logistics/ameri... [2] - https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/why-ge-plan-make-fighter-jet-engines-india-is-big-deal-2023-06-22/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/why-ge-pl... [3] - https://www.state.gov/i2u2/ https://www.state.gov/i2u2/ [4] - https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/03/12/quad-leaders-joint-statement-the-spirit-of-the-quad/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases... [5] - https://carnegieendowment.org/2023/11/06/india-in-emerging-world-order-pub-90928 https://carnegieendowment.org/2023/11/06/india-in-emerging-w... [6] - https://theprint.in/defence/nearing-breaking-point-gen-naravane-recalls-how-india-china-were-at-brink-of-war-in-aug-2020/1892648/ https://theprint.in/defence/nearing-breaking-point-gen-narav... [7] - https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/ukraine-crisis-stranded-students-face-racial-abuse-373916 https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/ukraine-crisis-stra...
- pylua 3y ago
  In some ways it is a U.S. ally. But don’t tell me you are going to buy Russian oil and not side with the us in Ukraine and tell me you are under our influence. Any development in a country that has not washed its hands of Russia should be illegal for selling in the us. In addition, the recent argument with Canada over the killing over a citizen on Canadian soil comes into play here. That is not what s country under western influence does.
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    > you I'm American. > are going to buy Russian oil and not side with the us (sic) in Ukraine Well, 1. That oil goes to the EU. If there's a buyer, there's going to be a seller [0] 2. It's at margins barely above the cost to extract, which is as big a financial hit you make make [1] 3. As pointed above, China is the bigger bad to India instead of Russia. It's better to keep countries neutral in a future India-China war > Any development in a country that has not washed its hands of Russia should be illegal for selling in the us. Thank god you don't work at the State Department. That's how you alienate every country that isn't in North America and Europe. China would have the pick of the litter. [0] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-27/europe-is-guzzling-diesel-from-india-a-key-buyer-of-russian-oil https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-27/europe-is... [1] - https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/revenues-russias-top-oil-gas-producers-fall-41-first-9-months-2023-2023-11-30/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/revenues-russias...
    - pylua 3y ago
      I understand the need for the us to sacrifice somewhat in order to tame the bigger bad. However, the us is operating from weakness here which is not okay and the situation should have never been allowed to develop to this point. Ironically it may be outsourcing and offshoring in the first place that led us here. US critical infrastructure development should not be outsourced to countries who have any contact with countries that are we are in a proxy war with.
  - one-another-dev 3y ago
KennyBlanken 3y ago
India is assassinating people on US and Canadian soil. And more importantly, the US and Canadian governments are being very officially-public about it. Let that sink in. I'd be shocked if China isn't assassinating people too. They definitely have established "police stations" here and are conducting operations against dissidents and their families, but maybe it hasn't crossed into actual murder. If it has, the US and Canada aren't talking about it; they're barely talking about, or doing anything about, the secret police stations.
- _heimdall 3y ago
  > India is assassinating people on US and Canadian soil. I've clearly missed something here. Where can I learn more about what you're referencing here, or what Google search would point me in the right direction?
  - swalberg 3y ago
    The Washington Post has written about this a fair bit, including an article from the editorial board. "washington post indian assassination" should give you some reading.
  - chasd00 3y ago
    Basically India made plans to assassinate someone on US soil, got found out and then carried it out on Canadian soil. Here’s the first hit for “India assassinate Canada” https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/canada/india-assassination-plot-canada-sikh.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/canada/india-assass...
- senderista 3y ago
  Maybe Modi took a hint when Trump practically laughed off the Khashoggi assassination.
cool_dude85 3y ago
Is the issue not enough talent in the US, or not enough talent at a desired salary range? One of the guys here is talking about people making 30k USD. My guess is there is not much American talent at that pay range, even if there's plenty of talent available here generally.

by pylua 3y ago

alephnerd 3y ago

> India is not in the U.S. sphere of influence Financing the Abraham Accords [0], using American engines in tanks [1], American fighter jet engines in Indian fighter jets [2], and being a part of 2 bilateral treaty organizations [3][4] absolutely puts India in the US Sphere of Influence. > has not even voted to condemn Russia India will never piss off Russia, because India doesn't want Russia to join the Chinese camp [5]. By keeping trade and defense ties with Russia, India minimizes the chances of Russia becoming pro-China instead of neutral during an India-China war (which almost happened in 2020) [6]. Mistreatment of Indian students in Ukraine during the war made a vote in favor of Ukraine politically untenable during election season [7] [0] - https://www.axios.com/2023/09/07/saudi-india-uae-us-railway-deal-g20-middle-east https://www.axios.com/2023/09/07/saudi-india-uae-us-railway-... [1] - https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/logistics/americas-cummins-engine-to-power-zorawar-tank-after-germany-fails-to-relax-trade-restrictions/article67544664.ece https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/logistics/ameri... [2] - https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/why-ge-plan-make-fighter-jet-engines-india-is-big-deal-2023-06-22/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/why-ge-pl... [3] - https://www.state.gov/i2u2/ https://www.state.gov/i2u2/ [4] - https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/03/12/quad-leaders-joint-statement-the-spirit-of-the-quad/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases... [5] - https://carnegieendowment.org/2023/11/06/india-in-emerging-world-order-pub-90928 https://carnegieendowment.org/2023/11/06/india-in-emerging-w... [6] - https://theprint.in/defence/nearing-breaking-point-gen-naravane-recalls-how-india-china-were-at-brink-of-war-in-aug-2020/1892648/ https://theprint.in/defence/nearing-breaking-point-gen-narav... [7] - https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/ukraine-crisis-stranded-students-face-racial-abuse-373916 https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/ukraine-crisis-stra...

pylua 3y ago
In some ways it is a U.S. ally. But don’t tell me you are going to buy Russian oil and not side with the us in Ukraine and tell me you are under our influence. Any development in a country that has not washed its hands of Russia should be illegal for selling in the us. In addition, the recent argument with Canada over the killing over a citizen on Canadian soil comes into play here. That is not what s country under western influence does.
- alephnerd 3y ago
  > you I'm American. > are going to buy Russian oil and not side with the us (sic) in Ukraine Well, 1. That oil goes to the EU. If there's a buyer, there's going to be a seller [0] 2. It's at margins barely above the cost to extract, which is as big a financial hit you make make [1] 3. As pointed above, China is the bigger bad to India instead of Russia. It's better to keep countries neutral in a future India-China war > Any development in a country that has not washed its hands of Russia should be illegal for selling in the us. Thank god you don't work at the State Department. That's how you alienate every country that isn't in North America and Europe. China would have the pick of the litter. [0] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-27/europe-is-guzzling-diesel-from-india-a-key-buyer-of-russian-oil https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-27/europe-is... [1] - https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/revenues-russias-top-oil-gas-producers-fall-41-first-9-months-2023-2023-11-30/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/revenues-russias...
  - pylua 3y ago
    I understand the need for the us to sacrifice somewhat in order to tame the bigger bad. However, the us is operating from weakness here which is not okay and the situation should have never been allowed to develop to this point. Ironically it may be outsourcing and offshoring in the first place that led us here. US critical infrastructure development should not be outsourced to countries who have any contact with countries that are we are in a proxy war with.
- one-another-dev 3y ago

KennyBlanken 3y ago

India is assassinating people on US and Canadian soil. And more importantly, the US and Canadian governments are being very officially-public about it. Let that sink in. I'd be shocked if China isn't assassinating people too. They definitely have established "police stations" here and are conducting operations against dissidents and their families, but maybe it hasn't crossed into actual murder. If it has, the US and Canada aren't talking about it; they're barely talking about, or doing anything about, the secret police stations.

_heimdall 3y ago
> India is assassinating people on US and Canadian soil. I've clearly missed something here. Where can I learn more about what you're referencing here, or what Google search would point me in the right direction?
- swalberg 3y ago
  The Washington Post has written about this a fair bit, including an article from the editorial board. "washington post indian assassination" should give you some reading.
- chasd00 3y ago
  Basically India made plans to assassinate someone on US soil, got found out and then carried it out on Canadian soil. Here’s the first hit for “India assassinate Canada” https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/canada/india-assassination-plot-canada-sikh.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/canada/india-assass...
senderista 3y ago
Maybe Modi took a hint when Trump practically laughed off the Khashoggi assassination.

cool_dude85 3y ago

Is the issue not enough talent in the US, or not enough talent at a desired salary range? One of the guys here is talking about people making 30k USD. My guess is there is not much American talent at that pay range, even if there's plenty of talent available here generally.