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Spomenik Database

145 points by alentodorov 3y ago

Feathercrown 3y ago
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- skrebbel 3y ago
  Just the homepage. Click the hamburger menu en choose “explore”. It’s worth it!
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senderista 3y ago
Jasenovac should be as well-known as Auschwitz.
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- bekantan 3y ago
  Worth reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp > Operated by the governing Ustaše regime, Europe's only Nazi collaborationist regime that operated its own extermination camps > It quickly grew into the third largest concentration camp in Europe > Unlike German Nazi-run camps, Jasenovac lacked the infrastructure for mass murder on an industrial scale, such as gas chambers. Instead, it "specialized in one-on-one violence of a particularly brutal kind", and prisoners were primarily murdered with the use of knives, hammers, and axes, or shot > Ustaše regime having murdered somewhere near 100,000 people in Jasenovac between 1941 and 1945 -- Flower Monument on Spomenik Database: https://www.spomenikdatabase.org/jasenovec https://www.spomenikdatabase.org/jasenovec
JoeDaDude 3y ago
Readers of old science fiction may be interested to know about the film version of Olaf Stapledon's novel Last and First Men. The film, mostly a voice over reading of some parts of the novel, was made with many Spomeniks as a background. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8015444/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8015444/
boomskats 3y ago
This is such a beautiful old school internet resource. I don't have their book, but I do have a print of Socialist Modernism in the Former Yugoslavia [0]. It overlaps a lot in terms of photography and aesthetic but lacks the story. [0]: https://urbanicagroup.ro/ushop/publications/album/socialist-modernism-book-socialist-modernism-in-former-yugoslavia-including-dhl-express-postage-in-european-union/ https://urbanicagroup.ro/ushop/publications/album/socialist-...
- fiforpg 3y ago
  Not directly related, but also a (sort of) brutalist architecture book that comes to mind is Soviet Bus Stops: https://archive.org/details/sovietbusstops0000herw https://archive.org/details/sovietbusstops0000herw Edit: I see that the book about Spomeniks and the one linked above were actually both released by the same publisher — Fuel.
fiforpg 3y ago
These are fantastic art works, and driving around to check them out would a perfect euro tour for a future summer. Still I can't help but be intrigued by the wistful tone of the website. Judging by the "about" page, the guy running it is relatively young, so he can't quite have the Yugo-nostalgia. And yet passages like > there were many in Yugoslavia who refused to fully integrate into this communist-led multi-cultural society [...] During the hey-day of Yugoslavia, this resentment and anger was very much kept in check by the Yugoslavian government's intense efforts in stamping out inter-ethnic retaliations, nationalism or religious hatred in any form, accompanied by the intense promotion of the ideals of 'Brotherhood and Unity'. — to me read like they celebrate the Yugoslav communists. Would be curious to know if it's just me, or others also share the impression.
- cafard 3y ago
  A neighbor got out of Yugoslavia when things fell apart. Formerly cordial neighbors burned down his family's house (near Sarajevo). He does remember favorably the Tito regime's success in keeping the peace.
- zerkten 3y ago
  I didn't read much of the site yet, but one way I might read your quote is as being against those who ripped the country apart after communism. I would guess that many young people see that as the last tragedy and not communism. FWIW Yugoslavia was open to tourism during the Cold War. My father drove from the UK to Dubrovnik with a friend in the 60s. I retraced part of that trip about 5 years ago. I'd have seen more had this site and book been available, but I stumbled on a few of the places on their map. Not on their map is Zeljava [1] which was an airbase with extensive underground tunnels under a mountain on the Bosnia/Croatia border. At the time, a few parts of it were cleared out with bits of spares amongst the debris. There is a UXO hazard away from worn pathways. This is highlighted by the mine signs. I think there have been a few accident since the war in the 90s, but inside there was a bigger risk from falling concrete (look up for blast door). Recent photos [2] show it has been cleaned up a lot. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDeljava_Air_Base https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDeljava_Air_Base [2] https://www.scmp.com/photos/today-photos/3238875/once-secret-cold-war-airbase-zeljava-now-tourist-attraction-croatia https://www.scmp.com/photos/today-photos/3238875/once-secret...
martin1975 3y ago
Друже Тито, ми ти се кунемо, да са твога пута не скренемо!

Spomenik Database

145 points by alentodorov 3y ago

Feathercrown 3y ago

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skrebbel 3y ago
Just the homepage. Click the hamburger menu en choose “explore”. It’s worth it!
deleted 3y ago
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senderista 3y ago

Jasenovac should be as well-known as Auschwitz.

deleted 3y ago
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bekantan 3y ago
Worth reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp > Operated by the governing Ustaše regime, Europe's only Nazi collaborationist regime that operated its own extermination camps > It quickly grew into the third largest concentration camp in Europe > Unlike German Nazi-run camps, Jasenovac lacked the infrastructure for mass murder on an industrial scale, such as gas chambers. Instead, it "specialized in one-on-one violence of a particularly brutal kind", and prisoners were primarily murdered with the use of knives, hammers, and axes, or shot > Ustaše regime having murdered somewhere near 100,000 people in Jasenovac between 1941 and 1945 -- Flower Monument on Spomenik Database: https://www.spomenikdatabase.org/jasenovec https://www.spomenikdatabase.org/jasenovec

JoeDaDude 3y ago

Readers of old science fiction may be interested to know about the film version of Olaf Stapledon's novel Last and First Men. The film, mostly a voice over reading of some parts of the novel, was made with many Spomeniks as a background. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8015444/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8015444/

boomskats 3y ago

This is such a beautiful old school internet resource. I don't have their book, but I do have a print of Socialist Modernism in the Former Yugoslavia [0]. It overlaps a lot in terms of photography and aesthetic but lacks the story. [0]: https://urbanicagroup.ro/ushop/publications/album/socialist-modernism-book-socialist-modernism-in-former-yugoslavia-including-dhl-express-postage-in-european-union/ https://urbanicagroup.ro/ushop/publications/album/socialist-...

fiforpg 3y ago
Not directly related, but also a (sort of) brutalist architecture book that comes to mind is Soviet Bus Stops: https://archive.org/details/sovietbusstops0000herw https://archive.org/details/sovietbusstops0000herw Edit: I see that the book about Spomeniks and the one linked above were actually both released by the same publisher — Fuel.

fiforpg 3y ago

These are fantastic art works, and driving around to check them out would a perfect euro tour for a future summer. Still I can't help but be intrigued by the wistful tone of the website. Judging by the "about" page, the guy running it is relatively young, so he can't quite have the Yugo-nostalgia. And yet passages like > there were many in Yugoslavia who refused to fully integrate into this communist-led multi-cultural society [...] During the hey-day of Yugoslavia, this resentment and anger was very much kept in check by the Yugoslavian government's intense efforts in stamping out inter-ethnic retaliations, nationalism or religious hatred in any form, accompanied by the intense promotion of the ideals of 'Brotherhood and Unity'. — to me read like they celebrate the Yugoslav communists. Would be curious to know if it's just me, or others also share the impression.

cafard 3y ago
A neighbor got out of Yugoslavia when things fell apart. Formerly cordial neighbors burned down his family's house (near Sarajevo). He does remember favorably the Tito regime's success in keeping the peace.
zerkten 3y ago
I didn't read much of the site yet, but one way I might read your quote is as being against those who ripped the country apart after communism. I would guess that many young people see that as the last tragedy and not communism. FWIW Yugoslavia was open to tourism during the Cold War. My father drove from the UK to Dubrovnik with a friend in the 60s. I retraced part of that trip about 5 years ago. I'd have seen more had this site and book been available, but I stumbled on a few of the places on their map. Not on their map is Zeljava [1] which was an airbase with extensive underground tunnels under a mountain on the Bosnia/Croatia border. At the time, a few parts of it were cleared out with bits of spares amongst the debris. There is a UXO hazard away from worn pathways. This is highlighted by the mine signs. I think there have been a few accident since the war in the 90s, but inside there was a bigger risk from falling concrete (look up for blast door). Recent photos [2] show it has been cleaned up a lot. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDeljava_Air_Base https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDeljava_Air_Base [2] https://www.scmp.com/photos/today-photos/3238875/once-secret-cold-war-airbase-zeljava-now-tourist-attraction-croatia https://www.scmp.com/photos/today-photos/3238875/once-secret...

martin1975 3y ago

Друже Тито, ми ти се кунемо, да са твога пута не скренемо!